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Hey, great news, Wayne and crew! I’ve been following this story since you broke it. I’ll be watching tonight.
Hey, this just might shut Tim up now ;-)
Don’t ever forget your wallet.
Must feed the monster you know.
I hope you can post the segment here tomorrow, I can’t be home tonight until after 9pm. I assume we can also see it (eventually) on ABC News’ website.
I’m so glad the mainstream media has picked up on the story!
I hope many people will be tuning in.. I know I will!
Again, thanks so much all TWO staff and supporters for committing yourselves to getting the Truth (haha, see what I did there?)
Terrible clichés aside, I look forward to tonight.
Billie:
There are no monsters to feed. Just our families.
Equality among people does not mean ignoring or excusing disease and/or misbehavior among people. The easiest way to determine is something is right or wrong is to look at the consequences of the action(s) by a person or groups of people.
In the case of Homosexuals, they do have the same rights as everyone else does… to marry people of the opposite sex… what they are asking for is special rights due to their unique sexual actions.
Now, beware if we start going down “that” road of giving special groups extra rights for their choice of actions (yes their choice)… because then who is next demanding special rights? Pedophiles, bigamists… who is next?
Where do we separate what is correct and not, what is healthy and what is not, what is psychological sound and what is not… specially now that the political machinery of these Gender Identity Disorder pathological people have lied and B.S. their way into conning many of you into seeing them as a benign life style, or “that they have no choices”… (Gender Identity Disorder the genesis of homosexuality in children, looking up)
You see, the more we get away from what is normal and start embracing abnormality, the more society will be twisted and abnormal, plus you have just opened a can of worms…
By the way, homosexuality and (for example) other things like race are not the same… there are plenty of ex-homosexuals, yes gays do go back and become straight… but we ALL have yet to see a single African American being an ex-African American…
It is an insult to black people when their struggle for equality due to their race is compared with the gays push for extra rights due to their twisted sexual practices.
Homosexuals are not born that way… proof? Read on…
One Example of the psychology studies proving the genesis of homosexuality not being genetic is what is known in the psychological world as the recent large “Twin Studies” in Sweden and the Netherlands.
The studies found that in identical twins, when one brother or sister is homosexual, only about 10% of the other identical twin brother or sister is homosexual as well, which proves homosexuality not to be genetic, that homosexuals/gender identity disorder individuals are not born that way.
If homosexuality had been genetic then in identical twins (who are 100% genetically identical) if one is a homosexual then logic dictate that both should have been 100% homosexual as well! But that is not the case… ONLY 10% of the time both are homosexuals! In the rest of the other 90% left, one is homosexual and the other one is NOT, and this shows that something AFTER their birth causes homosexuality to happen to one but not the other.
And what is left after birth…? Their experiences during upbringing!
Simple facts, how many people remember in detail what a typical day was for them at one and a half year old, or what life was like for them for example at two or three years old? Do you? Not most people!
In addition to this, childhood memories are retained or not depending on how good or not life is for the child especially early childhood memories, which are linked to how a child is being treated. Memory studies have found that children with good upbringing are more likely to have more memories of their childhood than children that were mistreated and/or abused. But overall, most people do not remember early childhood well, a critical time in their lives when the foundations of who they will be as adults are being laid down and cemented in their minds.
And so you do have most homosexuals saying “I have been/felt homosexual as far as I can remember…”, well the answer to that is clear given the information on memory retention from the previous paragraph.
Homosexuals are victims of dysfunctional families, and in many cases horrible things done to them, and in the end it is all psychological, as proven in the book “What Nature Intended, Six Factors Demonstration Homosexuality to be a Dysfunction”.
Several distinct types of abuses and/or family dysfunctions result in homosexuality, including the saddest cases involving abuses and/or mistreatments by caretakers from about less than a year old to up to early childhood that the mind of the homosexual have chosen to forget and/or bury deep inside of them.
Remember a child at birth is a “clean slate” only wired with very basic circuitry (cry when hungry, poop, sleep, etc), even the vision and the eyes are still forming, cycles are being established… the caregiver have a HUGE responsibility perhaps the biggest responsibility ANY person has on the planet: to take care PROPERLY of that new born and to raise her/him properly and without abuse!
Many people sadly fail miserably in this task, hence all the misadjusted adult individuals (in reality victims) in society today, and all of those adults/victims are paying the consequences with their own misadjusted lives the wrongs done to them as children, and even as early as babies.
Like the saying goes: “You need a license to drive, you need a license to fish… but any A-hole can be a parent”!
As for homosexuality not being in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual today, well the answer is simple. In 1973 Homosexuality was removed from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual after immense POLITICAL pressure by the liberals on the timid scientists and doctors, who were unprepared for fighting the liberal political machinery of the liberal 1970′s and even today. Many scientists and psychologists complained, including Ronald Bayer, PhD, who taught 14 years as Professor at the Center for the History and Ethics of Public Health in the Department of Sociomedical Sciences at the Columbia University and wrote about this removal in his book “Homosexuality and American Psychiatry”:
“Instead of being engaged in a sober consideration of
data, psychiatrists were swept up in a political controversy. The
American Psychiatric Association had fallen victim to the
disorder of a tumultuous era, when disruptive conflicts
threatened to politicize every aspect of American social life. A
furious egalitarianism that challenged every instance of
authority had compelled psychiatric experts to negotiate the
pathological status of homosexuality with homosexuals
themselves. The result was not a conclusion based on an
approximation of the scientific truth as dictated by reason, but
was instead an action demanded by the ideological temper of
the times…”
And like we say in the beginning of this article, as for the question of is homosexuality detrimental or not to the individuals and society, well a simple search into the consequences of the homosexual act and practices give very clear answer. Here are but just a few of the results:
- Correlates of homosexual behavior and the incidence of Anal Cancer.
* Reference: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7062503
- Dr. Selma Dritz in the New England Journal of Medicine: “Oral and anal intercourse present physicians with surgical as well as medical problems, ranging from anal fissures and impaction of foreign bodies in the rectum to major diagnostic dilemmas.”
* Reference: Dritz SK. “Medical Aspects of Homosexuality.” The New England Journal of Medicine, 1980; Vol. 302 No. 8 (463-464).
- 70% of homosexual patients with Anal Gonococcal infections and 90% of those with Pharyngeal Gonococcal infections were asymptomatic.
* Reference: Canadian Medical Association Journal, Paper: Sexually transmitted disease among homosexuals, 1984 February 15; 130(4): 370-372.
- The incidence of oral gonorrhea is higher among homosexual men than among any other group in the population.
* Reference: Canadian Medical Association Journal, Paper: Sexually transmitted disease among homosexuals, 1984 February 15; 130(4): 370-372.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1876122/pdf/canmedaj01409-0056.pdf
- Exposure to hepatitis B virus is 4 to 13 times more frequent among homosexual
men than among heterosexuals.
* Reference: Canadian Medical Association Journal, Paper: Sexually transmitted disease among homosexuals, 1984 February 15; 130(4): 370-372.
-. After 10 years of homosexual activity about 65% of men have one or more hepatitis B markers.
* Reference: Canadian Medical Association Journal, Paper: Sexually transmitted disease among homosexuals, 1984 February 15; 130(4): 370-372.
-. Gay bowel syndrome: Gay bowel syndrome includes proctologic complications of anal intercourse as well as infectious and noninfectious diarrhea.
* Reference: Canadian Medical Association Journal, Paper: Sexually transmitted disease among homosexuals, 1984 February 15; 130(4): 370-372.
- Homosexual men have more than 5 TIMES the amount of anal infections than heterosexual men. (68%) of the 200 homosexual men, compared with 16 (16%) of the 100 heterosexual men, had intestinal parasitic infection. (E. Histolytica and G. Lamblia)
* Reference: Canadian Medical Association Journal, Paper: Sexually transmitted disease among homosexuals, 1984 February 15; 130(4): 370-372.
- 30% of all 20-year-old homosexual men will be HIV positive or dead by the age of thirty.
* Reference: Health, wealth and homosexual activity, results of The World AIDS Conference of Vancouver @ http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Health,+wealth+and+homosexual+activity.-a030534587
- The cost of AIDS:
Year – AIDS Cases – Direct Medical Cost – Total Capital Cost
1995 – 16,000 – $2,000,000,000 – $8,000,000,000
2000 – 30,000 – $3,000,000,000 – $15,000,000,000
2010 – 60,000 – $6,000,000,000 – $30,000,000,000
Source: Royal Bank of Canada
We can go on and on and on… the medical data is very clear in the adverse consequences of homosexuality. And knowing that, then why are we accepting homosexuality, even excusing it? Why are we tolerating a set of sexual actions that is costing us all dearly, including the high incidences of disease and death?
We shouldn’t. The answer is to help homosexuals to seek the psychological help they desperately need, in order to fix their lives and rejoin the rest of society in a more functional correct manner. They are victims of bad upbringing, people that need our collective help, not our excuses or a blind eye.
Remember, always leave politics behind, seek the true answers yourself, and do your own research into matters, don’t be led by anyone, for the Truth is always not what it seems.
p.s. And to homosexuals, you are no different than the rest of us. You just have a problem in a different area of your life, distinct from many other people, but a problem nevertheless. You are a victim of damage done to you; it was not your fault.
But the answer rests with you, the answer is not to seek more rights or accommodation within society, but to confront head on your particular dysfunction and fight with all your might. That takes courage, but know that there are many organizations and people that will help you in that challenge, and that you are not alone!
One more thing, the Human Will can conquer anything, and as long as you are willing any disadvantage and/or dysfunction in life can be conquered, it maybe a life-long struggle, but all you have to do is give it a go, and not to look back.
Welcome to being human.
whatnatureintended.weebly.com
Luis, who paid you to leave that comment?
I thought I didn’t have a life ;)
And also, Louie Boy? I’m quite happy with lookin’ at boys’ packages and I don’t see it as one iota of a dysfunction =)
And one more thing, while I’m on a rant :)
Seeing as it’s more likely, that shows that YOUR side of the fence also has it happen…so why aren’t we crusading for you to have your sexuality/sexual acts psychologically examined and prodded?
Oh, wait, we’re better than that =)
Luis said “Equality among people does not mean ignoring or excusing disease and/or misbehavior among people. The easiest way to determine is something is right or wrong is to look at the consequences of the action(s) by a person or groups of people.”.
The vast majority of gays are healthy happy people. There are no consequences or diseases in a monogamous same sex relationship, it benefits both partners, makes them happier and more productive and thus benefits society as a whole. What determines whether something is right or wrong is harm. That which harms no one (gayness) is moral, that which harms (opposition to gay equality) is by definition immoral.
Luis said “In the case of Homosexuals, they do have the same rights as everyone else does… to marry people of the opposite sex…”.
False! Tom has the right to marry Lucy. Jane does not have the same right Tom has to marry Lucy. Alice has the right to marry Tony, Frank does not have the same right Alice does to marry Tony.
Luis said “what they are asking for is special rights due to their unique sexual actions”.
False! When equal marriage laws are passed heterosexuals will have the same right gays have to marry a same sex partner – gays and heteosexuals will have EXACTLY the same rights.
Priya, can ya do me a favor? Could you cut and paste some of that post from Luis and see if it is taken verbatim from a website, possibly? Might shed a bit of light…
Luis, you have a long string of lies and distortions of which I will deal with one example which is typical of everything you’ve said.
Luis said “If homosexuality had been genetic then in identical twins (who are 100% genetically identical) if one is a homosexual then logic dictate that both should have been 100% homosexual as well! But that is not the case… ONLY 10% of the time both are homosexuals! In the rest of the other 90% left, one is homosexual and the other one is NOT, and this shows that something AFTER their birth causes homosexuality to happen to one but not the other.”.
Luis is lying here. The actual studies show that between 30 and 50% of the time when one twin is gay the other is as well. Given that gays make up perhaps 5-10% of the population only 5-10% of twins should both be gay if genetics play no role. As the rate is several times this it shows that genetics conclusively plays some role, although not the sole role. The 30% to 50% concordance rate undercounts the actual occurrance as many gays will not admit to researchers they are gay thus we can only be certain that more than 30% to 50% of identical twins are both gay.
Luis other points are similarly outright lies, or deceptions such as portraying studies of gay patients of STD clinics as though those people are representative of gays as a whole.
Cody I can’t do much searching right now as I have a bug on my computer that usually takes me to an MSDN errpr site or some shopping web site when I try to clic on an item in the google search list. For the most part I can only reliably get to my favourites or a link someone sends me.
Guessing you’re on Google Chrome? I’ve got the same blasted thing on my laptop :)
Good refutation for the nonsense published by Ronald Bayer (referenced in the above anti-gay post) can be found here:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/general-political-discussion/94161-pushing-gay-agenda-schools-132.html#post1059359979
Great work boys!
Wayne,
Please do crank every penny from the hype on this.
But, make sure it goes to those with aids, not your well being.
Otherwise you’re really no different than the extreme far right.
Luis, do you work for the bachmanns by any chance? And to add to the above posting about twins. Luis is ignorant! I recently saw a program on the Science Channel about how certain gene switches can be turned on and off for different biochemical reasons; this includes differences in twins. Although genetically the same in the case of identical twins, different ‘potentials’ in both of them can be turned on in one and not the other. I have a lesbian friend who has an identical twin sister who is heterosexual and married with children. The homosexual potential was turned on in one sister, but not the other. This area of biology is still very complex and a whole lot is not yet known, so Luis, stop using your specious arguments as an excuse for hatred and discrimination.
Billie, are you on crack? We are not an HIV related group. You are on the wrong site.
^ Good question.
No,
I am certainly not on crack.
But thanks for asking.
Billie, you need to go back on your psyche meds.
Goode to hear there ABC World News will be doing something on this expose of Marcus Bachmann’s sleazy “ex-gay” “ministry”.
As for this Luis character–honey, no dysfunction here. I’m married to a fabulous man and enjoying everfy minute of it.
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Wayne,
I want to donate! Do you provide receipts that show your 501c3 status so that we have it for the IRS? I’m self-employed and got audited last year (not fun!).
Hi Jack:
Yes, we can provide a reciept.
Can’t wait to see this clip, going to watch at 11pm and hope it comes up. Low on cash but going to squeeze some out your way. Thx guys.
Luis, you nitwit, I’d LOVE to tell you what I went through back in the 50′s and 60′s trying to change from gay to straight, finally at age 44, realizing I was BORN gay and nothing would change it, not all the prayer or psychotherapy in the world.
But you’re not smart enough to understand, because your brain is locked in another fantasy world somewhere in outer space.
Jerry
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I am not sure this kind of expose would sustain positive results in Uganda as they do here in the United States but a crackdown on Ugandan anti-gay pastor Martin Ssempa’s gay “correction” clinic and ministry in Uganda and his ties with Family Watch International would help further expose these unfounded therapies.
Congrats on the wonderful work, all.
You must be doing fabulous stuff if cut-and-paste artists like “Luis” (hereinafter, “Loserboy”) have targeted you.
Keep up the magnificence.
To me, homosexuality is a bit like alcoholism. Many people are born with a tendency toward alcoholism, because they lack certain enzymes. Many people tend toward alcoholism because they are children of alcoholics.
It doesn’t really matter if an alcoholic became an alcoholic by birth or by raising. The important thing is that he should not drink.
It is not necessary that a homosexual become heterosexual; chaste people can be loved and cherished, too. One can have desires without acting upon them, and in many cases, that is the best course of action.
MKS, what you just wrote is INCREDIBLY STUPID! Why is it that fundies believe that God created sex only for married heterosexual folks? Everyone is born with a desire for sexual intimacy just as most everyone wants to love and be loved. Expecting gays to live a cold, lonesome life is ridiculous. Chaste? You’ve gotta be kidding.
MKS, the essence of morality is “Do whatever you want, but harm no one” – gayness is by definition moral and your attempts to destroy those relationships are by definition immoral.
Maybe Luis won’t read any of your replies here, but be sure to check his website/blog and leave a peace of your mind there. Oh boy, and he wants to make money out of the b******t he’s posted.
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Surely Luis was also opposed to Loving v Virginia since everyone had the same right to marry within their race. Also, “Gay Bowel Syndrome”. Enough said.
And MKS. Who gets hurt by consensual sex between people of the same sex? Alcoholism produces a tangible harm to others. What tangible harm is produced by us acting on our inborn desires with other consenting adults?