Comments on: TWO Condemns Illinois Bishop For Implying that Catholics Must Vote Republican or Go to Hell

By: Truth Wins Out - Anti-Gay Prelate Installed as San Francisco Archbishop

Truth Wins Out - Anti-Gay Prelate Installed as San Francisco Archbishop — Fri, 05 Oct 2012 15:58:22 +0000

[...] right people. And if there’s one thing that the leadership of the Catholic Church has made abundantly clear, it’s that homophobic bigotry is both institutional policy and a top priority. Stay tuned, [...]

By: Emma

Emma — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 06:59:08 +0000

Steve,
First, I highly doubt that god tells you his relationship with others so please stop acting like your side has some sort of righteous background.
Second, we would like to be treated like human beings. It’s not too hard of a concept really so I don’t understand why you don’t seem to get it.
Third, you have absolutely no basis for any of those statements. Please offer some objective proof that homosexuality is not a normal part of the continuum. Republican Jesus does not count as proof.
Fourth, haven’t you been on here before? What exactly do you get out of this? I know why I follow this site; because I want to stay informed about the ongoing struggle that I am a part of in our quest to be recognized as citizens, as humans and deserving of love and decent treatment. Why do you show up and try to insert useless comments about how awful we are?
Fifth, before you make a statement about our immorality and evilness, I think you should actually know who you’re talking about. We ARE people too. I’m a teenager and a first year college student interested in studying history. I want to be a teacher because I value education. One of my hobbies is playwriting. My favorite book is “Macbeth”. I like classical music but also classic rock. I was raised by my mom and my dad in a suburb of a bigger city in the US and I’m very close to both of my parents. I’m a lesbian. Now that I’ve introduced myself, tell me again that I’m unnatural and wrong. If you can’t make that statement to me now that you know me a little, reconsider. This isn’t an abstract concept. You can’t be anti-gay rights and not anti-gay any more than you can be against letting Jews own businesses because they’re subhuman but not anti-Semitic (my family background is Jewish).
Sixth, please explain in specific terms the impact that gay people have on your life.
Thanks and I hope that maybe this made you think.

By: Steve

Steve — Thu, 04 Oct 2012 05:37:53 +0000

Well said Jean. The homosexuals on here want everyone to tolerate, condone, and accept their immorality as normal. With them, good has become evil and evil has become good.

By: Pat

Pat — Mon, 01 Oct 2012 20:48:39 +0000

“…but to deliberately spread falsehoods…”

Honey, that’s a quote. It’s about as close to the opposite of deliberately spreading falsehood as you can get. Now, the content of the quotes themselves… Oh hey, I found the deliberate falsehood!
Being a bishop does not excuse that–exactly the opposite, he must be held to a *higher* standard and not a lower one.

“A person can NEVER affirm, assist, support, or participate in evil withou personal consequence to their own soul.”
I’m sorry, are you not advocating voting in a certain way just to harm people you don’t like? Pretty sure that’s evil.

“The Democratic party supports such actions and behaviors – e.g. abortion and homosexuality.”
Homosexuality is neither an action or a behavior. It is a trait. This is not a subjective, debatable suggestion–it is a fact. The Catholic Church has actually acknowledged this fact, which is a new thing for it (look what happened the first time it was proven that the Earth revolves around the sun and not the other way ’round) although I would have preferred if they had acknowledged this fact and then continued thinking for a few seconds about how that fact should impact their conclusions, but I digress.
Homosexuality is not an action or a behavior. Bigotry is.
And the funny thing is, if you’re a religious person than for you bigotry is the belief that God made some people wrong and wants you to sweep those people under the rug. Not only is it internally inconsistent since you tend to call a lot of attention to what you think is God’s failure, but I’m pretty sure it’s blasphemous.
This kind of behavior is mentioned a *lot* more in the Bible than something you can pretend you think was about gay people–there are only a few passages like that.

By: DaveTheWave

DaveTheWave — Sun, 30 Sep 2012 23:17:04 +0000

“evil, souls, salvation”

All silly fake fairy tales, fred. Grow up. Feel free to believe them and spew them but make sure you keep them off laws and out of free citizens’ bedrooms. You are deceived and also obsessed with sex. Imagine how great the world would be if religious nuts spent as much energy on helping the poor as they spend trying to control sex. And progressives are angry because we are surrounded by the ignorance, intolerance and stupidity of uneducated dark-age myth-believin’ religionist cave folks!

By: RainbowPhoenix

RainbowPhoenix — Sun, 30 Sep 2012 19:59:04 +0000

It’s called subtext fred.

By: fred

fred — Sun, 30 Sep 2012 19:09:36 +0000

TWO headline lies – here’s the truth:
“TWO Condemns Illinois Bishop For Implying that Catholics Must Vote Republican or Go to Hell”

He never said you MUST vote, let alone must vote Republican…

He did say, “you need to think and pray very carefully about your vote, because a vote for a candidate who promotes actions or behaviors that are intrinsically evil and gravely sinful makes you morally complicit and places the eternal salvation of your own soul in serious jeopardy.”

The Democratic party supports such actions and behaviors – e.g. abortion and homosexuality.

He’s doing his duty to warn Catholics – and hopefully others – to put their soul in danger.

Gotta love it – evil, souls, salvation – stuff that causes libs/dems/leftists/socialists/communists to go bonkers

By: Gianni

Gianni — Sun, 30 Sep 2012 18:56:38 +0000

Jean, dear, the “gay agenda” (as you religious people like to intone) is only one thing: to be FULLY equal Americans in the eyes of the law. We hear about this gay agenda thing all the time like it is some plank in a platform. It’s CIVIL EQUALITY, you religious bigots. Accepting Jesus into your hearts supposedly opens your minds to the truth. I’ve yet to see the actual truth get in between those ears. Church members are required to follow the tenets of the particular religion and the bishops, priests, and ministers are required to teach and guide according to the particular beliefs. BUT, calling on believers to divest themselves of fairness, justice, and loving consideration for their fellow gay Americans is too much. Are you followers too dumb to figure things out, that you need the leaders to warn you about losing you soul because you might use your hearts and minds to vote for legal (not church) equal treatment? God actually hates legal equality and fairness? Something is sick here.

By: Ben in Oakland

Ben in Oakland — Sun, 30 Sep 2012 17:05:31 +0000

“Voting for a pro-abortion president who embraces the mission of the pro-gay agenda which seeks to destroy the traditional -natural- God-given family is morally WRONG”

Jean, here’s your lie, and the bishops’ lie, which means that your whole morality is a lie.

The pro-gay- agenda seeks to destroy the traditional family? we wish to destroy the our families, our friends’ families, our siblings’ families, and the families of everyone? On what evidence? Where has it happened? Why would we want to do that? How is my quite legal marriage destroying the hetero family, anyone’s hetero family?

You people are very, very sick. You would believe anything about gay people, as long as it defames, denigrates, and dehumanizes us., and not coincidentally, might help to restore the previous hegemony of the Catholic Church.

The good news is that I think you are attacking your own church by attacking us with blatant propaganda and lies. Nice going.

By: Paul Douglas

Paul Douglas — Sun, 30 Sep 2012 15:06:09 +0000

Jean,
You can believe (take without any supporting evidence) any damn nonsense you want, and you can also do anything within your Constantinian created 1700 year old club you want to, but when your club starts imposing its invented, unverifiable and irrational stories on non romanists of any religion or no religion you’ve crossed the line. Many of your beloved Bishops have led inquisitions, promoted slavery, been pedophiles, secretly married, directed persecutions of “heretics” and enriched themselves at the expense of others for CENTURIES. Many would still do all of that if they could get away with it.

And what’s the romanist hierarchy’s obsession with abortion, Jean? Why not the same obsession with supporters of the war in Iraq or Viet Nam or the death penalty? Or some obsession about poverty, worker righs and environmental destruction? When are your beloved bishoprics going to start denying their holey communion to Santorum and Newt Gingrich, Paul Ryan & the Koch brothers? The answer: never. They know which side their bread is buttered on.

And Jean, study a little anthropology before making unverifiable claims about the “traditional-natural-God-given family”. You are ignorant and I suspect a shill for the Blue Army or some similar group. Wake up. This is the 21st century.