There are no such thing as “ex-gay” people, simply “ex-gay” preachers who sell a big lie.
The first type of “ex-gay” preacher is 
a con artist why cynically sees an opportunity to exploit the pain of others for the sake of profit or publicity.
The second type of “ex-gay” preacher is a victim who was beaten down with religious guilt and shame until he or she publicly lies about his or her sexual orientation. I’m not sure which type of “ex-gay” preacher Matt Moore is, but it is indisputable that he is a major hypocrite who is being blatantly dishonest about his life as a so-called “ex-gay”.
After blogger Zinnia Jones outed his Grindr profile, Moore confessed to his dishonesty:
The grindr profile was really mine. I’ve been on it on and off for the last couple of weeks.
Like I told the guy who sent you the picture, I am wrong in having been on grindr. I haven’t changed my views on homosexuality, the bible, etc.
Creating a grindr profile and talking to guys on it was major disobedience on my part….disobedience to Christ. Disobedience to a loving and gracious God. Thankfully, I believe that He forgives me for this disobedience. I believe the blood of Christ covers this disobedience. And I won’t be on grindr again….ever.
The pastor of my church and the church body I am a part of were informed about me being on grindr (I told them) before all of this came out, publicly.
Actually, Matt, you are not forgiven for grossly misleading people and lying about your sexuality. What you did was despicable, dishonest, disingenuous, and immoral. Are you forgiven if your lie caused an LGBT youth to commit suicide or numb his or her pain with hard drugs? Are you forgiven if your dishonesty caused an LGBT youth to become homeless because his or her parents said “ex-gay” therapy or the highway?
Moore has a series of offensive and untrue “ex-gay” writings that reveal his bogus story of self-loathing:
I can, in truth, firmly say that the longer I keep turning away from my homosexual desires, the less in strength they become. My homosexual feelings have definitely diminished since the night God started drawing me to Himself in September of 2010. Are they completely gone? No, they are not. Will they ever be completely gone? I do not know.
Yeah, the homosexual longings were so weak that he downloaded the Grindr app, signed up, created a profile, and cruised online for sex. This behavior was similar to what we saw with TWO’s recent investigation of John Paulk.
The Christan Post, which has used Moore as a blogger, should fire him immediately and never let him return. That would be the Christian thing to do, which, of course is the last thing one would expect from a fundamentalist Christan publication.
I’d like to end with a plea to Moore:
You don’t have to live as a liar and a con artist — you can be honest and sincere about your sexual orientation. You are a gay man and people will forgive and embrace you if you come out and stop being a phony. Matt, you are fine just the way you are and you do not need to change your sexual orientation (which, obviously, isn’t working out too well).
Just be yourself, get back on Grindr and be an out and proud gay man. Stop throwing away your life trying to please those who will not accept the real you — and be your own man, not a shill for fundamentalist ideologues who are using you to promote their backwards doctrines.
Matt, these fundies don’t love you, and you will realize this the moment you begin to love yourself.
I suppose somebody’s going to complain how we are supposed to respect his privacy.
I’d have focused more on the closing plea and less on the opening harshness. The guy is 23, much younger than Paulk was that night in Mr. P’s. he needs help to escape the vicious cycle of self-repression he’s trapped in, and to learn that it’s about love and companionship and not just sex. The trouble is that a great deal of inner strength is needed to break out of the self-hating fundie hothouse. I’d rather focus on the people and milieu and twisted version of Xtianity that does this to young people than jump on him.
I’m a year older than this tool. Youth is not an excuse.
I don’t think we should give people a pass because of their age.
I would agree to the suggestion that he was “only” 23″ (considering the fundimentalist enviroment he is in) if he wasn’t on a gay website (grindr). Once you place yourself on such a app/website, you are not only outing yourself, but you are screaming to the world “I’m gay, will anybody play and/or be with me?” and thus if Matt Moore claims he isn’t gay, we can only concude that he is since a profile is not established without enough effort to insure a profile is not posted by accident.
If Matt Moore is 23 then so am I.
Wayne, your throwing the stone a little too hard don’t you think? Moore has deeply rooted beliefs planted since childhood. It’s not always easy to let them go. Even if the guilt isn’t justified. I’m gay and I know he would feel better being out and himself, but I can’t totally understand everything he has gone through either. We are all hypocrites once and a while. All we can hope for now is that he will stop condemning homosexuals.
Theres no such thing as a ex gay. You cant change sexual orientation. You can reform behavior ethically mortally and religouisly but you cant change your sexual orientation of being gay.matt needs to come out honrstly being gay and be honest with himself .those so called ex gay ministries dont love matt they just to use matt through their propsganda doctrines that will only oppress him and only make one feel worse.itsbetter to live one world of comingput being gay uncompartalizing your life then to live a double life of compattalizing.theres no.such thing as being a ex gay.thats like saying you live in the state of california and the state of california becomes a ex california.
I agree with Rainbow Phoenix. He is old enough to fight in Iraq, drive, own a gun, create a start-up Internet company, serve life in an adult prison, and join the Peace Corps. We shouldn’t infantilize this guy. Tens of thousands of people come out his age every year without writing showy and dishonest pieces for Christianity Today.
The bottom line: When he stops lying to himself and others he will be welcomed into the LGBT community. However, until that occurs, we can’t remain silent while he is deliberately harming people even younger than he is.
I totally agree about the age issue. It’s like the Chris Culliver situation, where people kept calling him a young kid. Umm, 22 is not a kid. When do we start treating people as as the adults they actually are instead of as the children we allow them to behave like?
Its amusing (and aggrevating) how many of the religious right use their beliefs as a get out of jail free card – basically they can act however they like, blame Satan or whoever for their behavior, and then are welcomed with open arms back into the flock.
Not that it makes any difference where hypocrisy is concerned, but do we know that Moore was “cruising for sex?” You seem rather sure that was his intention.
Do you know what Grindr is?
Ha! Yes I know exactly what Grindr is for and I realize my comment may seem absurd. I, too, assume that anyone using Grindr is cruising, but I also think it is possible that a guy who has cut himself off from his entire community would feel isolated and lonely. He is a guy who fully admits that his sexuality goes beyond just makin’ it with dudes but it is also a desire for connection and mutual love with another man. For the life he’s chosen to build for himself, getting caught cruising for sex is basically the same as getting caught seeking an emotional connection with another man. The anti-gay factions see only sex. We know better. Given his limited options, it is possible that he was just wookin’ in all da wong paces.
I don’t think someone who considers himself ex-gay would use Grindr as a way to stay in touch with a community he now reviles and no longer considers himself a part of. But, he is actively working against the community and so “looking for love” in that community would seem absolutely ridiculous and wouldn’t make it any better.
no, it is no better. I think it’s worse.
Michael C:
Come’on, if he was on Grindr, he was likely looking for sex. It’s a hook-up app. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
It’s like walking in on a man in a whorehouse and saying he was just there because he liked the red lights. Please.
Just a thought: sometimes wild eliptical orbits come just before a body breaks free of magnetic influences.
Let him know we understand.
Let him know that Jesus does not always change us. “In Christ Jesus, neither circumcision nor uncircumcision matter… but faith that works in love.” [Galatians]. The focus of Jesus was not hetero or non-hetero, but faith, and a faith that works in love.
Much love in Christ; Caryn
Once again someone who thinks it’s perfectly normal and expected for everyone to deny the urges they feel to lie, cheat, steal, get drunk or high, etc but not them when it comes to sexual behavior. Oh no, that feels too good.
Big “ex-gay” story being broken by the Washington City Paper:
www[dot]washingtoncitypaper[dot]com/blogs/citydesk/2013/02/07/video-touting-homophobic-gay-to-straight-therapy-taught-in-then-dropped-from-prince-georges-county-classrooms/
I began conversations with Matt via FB thanks to a ‘friend’ that thought she was doing me a favour by connecting me with a ‘shining example’ of someone whom God ‘saved from homosexuality’.
My initial conversations with Matt were polite. I offered my own life example as an alternative to self-denial and self-loathing. A life of honesty and a stead-fast faith in God as a gay man. The conversation went down-hill quickly. I would even say abusive, particularly from some of his FB ‘fans’ (I wonder how they feel now?).
Matt, I hope that you learn from this that you are not ‘ex-gay’, nor will you ever be. There is an alternative: to live life honestly, accepting your sexual orientation as a gift, not a curse. Hopefully you come to this liberating awareness before you hurt yourself any further, and others in the process.
[...] Matt Moore, a self-loathing and sort of “ex-gay” blogger was caught using Grinder, a gay male hookup phone app, earlier in the week. Upon being exposed, he groveled to his authoritarian version of Jesus for forgiveness. [...]
Of all the people in the world, homosexual activists sicken me the most for the level of hypocrisy they demonstrate. I find it sickening when you people spew this poison.
You ask for tolerance but you never show a shred of tolerance for any viewpoint or that is not in line with yours concerning homosexuality.
The fact is not everybody shares your values, and all you do is ridicule and harass them for it. But such behaviour is not considered “hate” if you are the perportrators.
Even having a viewpoint different than yours merits bullying and every form of intollerance on your part.
Whether or not homosexuality can be “cured” is irrelevant to that point. But the fact of the matter is some people do OUTGROW it and change their sexual desires.
Yes, some people actually do grow up to realize the full maturity of their biological gender and natural attraction to opposite sex that is a part of that.
IMAGINE THAT, oh my goodness…God forbid such a thing! SHOCKING. UNBELIEVEABLE. Couldn’t possibly be.
But if you would have your way, a person would not even be given a choice.
And yes, belive it or not, homosexuality does NOT ultimately prove fullfilling to everybody, even those who once thought it did or would. And some have actually found happiness with the opposite sex that is more fullfilling than any homosexual relationship they have been in.
But instead of wishing them well and being happy for them, all you folks do is criticize them in the crudest manner. I guess that is you people showing your true rainbow colors after all.
You folks are among the biggest hate mongers and hypocrites I have ever seen. I have not one shred of respect for your cause, right or wrong, for this very reason. If you are what homosexual community is all about, I say run don’t walk away from from these people.
Why dont you take the mote out of your own eye rather than expending so much energy on how others want to live their lives? Why preach spend all of your time preaching about hypocrisy, equality and tollerance when you are among the biggest offenders.
Not everybody who has lived homosexually, even though they may have truly desired it at one time–or may even still have feelings small or great, ends up happy with it.
And don’t blame religion and guilt for it all. Why do you find it so hare to belive that maybe homosexuality itself is unfullfilling for them?
I guess then you’d actually have to admit that people can change, or better said–grow up. Maybe not everybody is looking for the reflection of sameness (self) in another. Maybe some people have grown to appreciate the difference of the genders and opposite sex attraction.
Why constantly harrass people about hypocrisy when you yourselves are among the biggest hypocrites of anyone?
Yep Matt was on Grindr looking for a girlfriend.Now it makes sense.Ok
“I’m wide awake” said “Of all the people in the world, homosexual activists sicken me the most for the level of hypocrisy they demonstrate. I find it sickening when you people spew this poison.
You ask for tolerance but you never show a shred of tolerance for any viewpoint or that is not in line with yours concerning homosexuality.”.
“wide awake”, it is not hypocrisy to ask those who hurt innocent people to be tolerant while we ourselves refuse to tolerate the hurting of innocent people.
We don’t owe murderers, thieves, and gay bashers tolerance, we don’t owe wrongdoers tolerance. It is they who must learn to tolerate others, not we who need to tolerate them.
“And yes, belive it or not, homosexuality does NOT ultimately prove fullfilling to everybody, even those who once thought it did or would. And some have actually found happiness with the opposite sex that is more fullfilling than any homosexual relationship they have been in.”
And yes, belive it or not, heterosexuality does NOT ultimately prove fullfilling to everybody, even those who once thought it did or would. And some have actually found happiness with the same sex that is more fullfilling than any heterosexual relationship they have been in.
The problem is, you’re not really wide awake at all. Thee would be no objection to any kind of make-you-straight therapy if it actually worked, if it were actually based in reality, if the people who flog it were not also flogging a whole antigay agenda to go along ith it.
My guess is that you’re involved in it and desperately want it to work for you. Is it?
So I see Zinnia Jones eagerly seized the opportunity to out Matt Moore by exposing him as a visitor to Grindr. Yep, that’s something I’d expect from such a spiteful and gender confused young man who loves the girlie look. What a pathetic sight!
Only a resentful heterophobe driven by venomous animosity towards “ex-gays” would be anxious to do that. I’m sure he was the first in a long line of snitches who just couldn’t wait to herald the good news about Moore falling off the wagon of homo-sex addiction. How overjoyed he must be, beating everybody else to it!
As for you Wayne Besen, you are an odious man. A relentless proponent of tolerance, you show none for those who express different opinions on your favorite subject. In your quest for victory over the minds of “bigots”, you insist that any view other than yours is worthy of contempt and even prosecution. Unbeknown to yourself Wayne, you and those like you are the real bigots and all your insults and pseudo facts about homosexuality will not deter those who know better.
No matter how much you try and convince yourself and others that homosexuality is set in biological stone, that lie will not prevail.
I realize that Exodus has done a poor a$$ job at healing people of their sexual hangups and gender identity problems, but truth be told, plenty of others have overcome. This is a fact that you may not like, but given the right circumstances you will have to concede to the truth eventually. Avoiding those circles where such testimonies are shared won’t protect you from your false pride forever Bessie. So please try and lay off of targeting those who identify as ex-gay Christians. I know as a Jewish man it’s a hell of a lot safer than attacking and insulting ex-gay Muslims. But for the sake of those who are tempted to not turn the other cheek, stop the bullying! The offensiveness is exceeding people’s tolerance levels and it helps none of our causes to reach boiling point and become totally angry and irrational.
Vicky, you need to learn to know your audience. Your bullying terms aren’t going to win anyone on this site over to your cause. You just come off like a mean and whiny bully after people stand up to you.
Hey Daniel. I’m not trying to win anybody over. I’m here to give you a piece of my mind. If you don’t like it…too bad!
And just to clarify that should be: “for you as a Jewish man.”
Vicky, good thing you’re not trying to win anyone over because your logic is so faulty it would be sad if you were.
And you clarification on the “Jewish man” issue is much appreciated because it shows that your attention to detail is about what we’d all expect.
Also, Vicky, I wouldn’t be giving out too many more pieces of your mind–you don’t have much left.
And, you’re a Jewish man? Why are you going by the name Vicky?
Show us the names and the tumescence exams of the people you claim have changed their orientation.
*crickets*
Rainbow stop being in denial and go search for yourself. Seek and ye shall find.
Vicky, in other words, there are no examples because you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Vicky said “A relentless proponent of tolerance, you show none for those who express different opinions on your favorite subject. In your quest for victory over the minds of “bigots”, you insist that any view other than yours is worthy of contempt and even prosecution.”.
Your anti-gay view is worthy of contempt. Gay people are innocent and deserve tolerance, people such as you and Moore who who hurt and oppress innocent gay people deserve no tolerance.
We don’t owe murderers, thieves, and gay bashers tolerance, we don’t owe wrongdoers tolerance. It is you who must learn to tolerate others, not we who need to tolerate your attacks on the innocent.
Pariah I tolerate homosexuals everyday. But insisting that homosexuality is normal or even genetic will not be tolerated by people like me who know better. I’m not out to “hurt and oppress”. But if it happens because of my outspokenness, so be it! You’ll be losing sleep over it not me.
You do not tolerate us. You clearly hate us since you wish to legally discrimate against us and you are repeating the vicious lie that our sexuality is something that can be changed. You do not know better about are lives than we do. The damage caused by the legal discrimination you endorse is extremely harmful and yet you have no problem with that.
You clearly hate heterosexuality too. Because if you didn’t you wouldn’t have such a problem facing up to the fact that it is normal for you to be attracted to the opposite sex. But you blame hormones for your desires. What about the psychological aspects of it all. Homosexuality like every other sexual deviance is psychological. You just have to get the kinks out!
I don’t care if you consider my views legally discriminating. Slavery was legal too, but that didn’t make it morally right. And yes, many “Christians” were slave-masters, but there were some who picked up the gun to fight against it.
Now if Obama wants to oppress people like me by using laws to suppress our opinions, you and him can expect some resistance. All the drones, sanctions and persecutions in the world will never stop truth. It will inevitably triumph over all the homosexual lobby’s lies, just like it did over 400 years of slavery in America. For those who want to draw parallels between white racism and gay oppression, there’s one for you.
Self-defense against your lies and hatred is not hate. If it were normal for me to be attracted to the opposite sex I would have been at some point in my life. There is no psychological aspect to being gay. We are psychologically indistiguishable from straights. It is not a devience, it is a perfectly normal variation. You’re comparing us to slave-owners and yet you’re claiming that you don’t hate us? Ridiculous. You are not one of the Christians that are standing up for what’s right. You are the heir to the slaveowners, attacking and discriminating against people different from you for no other reason than to preserve your superiority complex. You are not being oppressed. You are being told to mind your own damn business. You are not on the side of truth. That is why your side and its endless lies are losing more and more each year. That is why equality will inevitably when just like it has in the past in spite of your objections. You are not the victim. You are the aggressor. You attack and insult innocent people with no provocation. You are not persecuted. You are the persecutor. You are trying to punish us because we live our lives the way we want instead of letting you command us. You are not being victimized when we defend ourselves from your unprovoked attacks on our lives and families.
Vicky, the Bible clearly supports slavery. By fighting against it those Christians who opposed it were blatantly going against God.
Rainbow you are deluded, to say the least.
What you call “variation” is really perversion, which means you are distinguishable from straights. Homosexuality is not going to be considered any less of a sexual deviation just because you deny that it is. I’m not falling for all your weak psychological tactics of dismiss and disclaim. You will resist admitting to being in error, and I can understand that. Pride is stubborn and it often gets in the way of seeing things clearly.
This is your problem whether you realize it for not. Do I hate you for that… no. But I will be eternally at odds with you on agreeing that homosexuality is normal and worthy of being aggressively legislated around.
And people who attack those who want to overcome homosexuality will know I’m disgusted, or rather my hatred as you insist on calling it. No I’m not denying that I am totally outraged by what I see happening in the the name of equal rights for homosexuals, bisexuals, and God knows what else sexuals.
To have to live in a world where men and women insist that they should have been born the other gender disturbs me plenty. Seeing them after being butchered by a surgeons knife makes me want to rebel. It is an eye sore and an insult to my intelligence to have to embrace them as “normal”. That is an injustice in my estimation! And contrary to what you so fallaciously believe I am far from being the odd one out on that.
As for you thinking that we are ” not on the side of truth and that is why your side and its endless lies are losing more and more each year”, again that is your delusion. You need to think again, only this time try and be more realistic. Otherwise you’ll be in for a very rude awakening!
And just so you know, I’m no Christian.
You’re projecting Vicky. It’s disturbingly typical of bigots like you. Every legitimate psychological and medical organization acknowledges that homosexuality and bisexuality are psychologically identical to heterosexuality. The only people who claim otherwise are bigots like you who are so desperate for an excuse to justify your hatred. Not that you’ll ever admit this since it will mean admitting that you don’t actually have the moral highground.
This is your problem whether you realize it your not. You can’t just leave people alone unless they live the way you want them to. You have a bizarre need to punish us because we refuse to be ashamed of the fact that we are different from you. You are the one “aggressively legislating” your bizarre need to hurt us and feel superior. Claiming that we are “aggressively legislating” our sexuality by demanding the equal treatment we are already promised by the constitution is another lie on your part.
Your “outrage”, really your hatred, is entirely born of being told that you are not superior and you do not get special treatment. That is the only affect our equal rights has on you.
What people do with their bodies is none of your business. You do not have the right to punish people just for doing something you wouldn’t. That you refer to what many find vital to their psychological well-being as “butchery” is another demonstration of how much you hate anyone who’s different from you. The only injustice is the punishments bigots like you attempt to impose on anyone who is different from you and refuses to be ashamed of it. You insult our intelligence by expecting us to be fool by your dishonest claims to be on the side of justice.
The only delusion here is the one you have that tells you that you are on the right side. You’ve told over a dozen lies since your first comment here and yet you still expect people to believe that you are on the side of truth. I’m being very realistic. I remember very well being a scared teenager who was just told that I can’t actually be thrown in jail for who I fall in love with only to immediately be bombarded with people telling me how evil I am, I’ll be the fall of western civilization, I’m a threat to people’s families and children. Then four months ago, I saw three states embrace my value as a human by acknowledging my equal rights by popular vote. I watched the change. I grew up with it. You are being unrealistic by expecting your lies to continue fooling people even though more see through them every day.
You are not the victim. You are the aggressor. You came here unprovoked to attack and insult us. You are attacking innocent people with no provocation. You are harming people who have done nothing to you. Telling you to mind your own business and refusing to play along with your superiority complex is not persecuting you and no amount of sophistry will change that.
Yes rainbow, you’ve been repeating that nonsense so much that even you are starting to believe it. I really don’t’ have the time to be going back and forth with you on this. But the APA has been proven to be nothing but a bunch of confused homosexuals too. So all that which you’ve claimed makes absolutely no difference to me.
Vicky, you don’t have time or you just can’t because what you’re doing is indefensible?
You’re projecting again Vicky. You are repeating nonsense and you are lying about the APA in order to justify your hatred and your unprovoked attacks.
“You still have not given any basis on which to claim gayness is immoral. If you’re not lying about not being a christian then on what basis do you claim gayness is immoral?”.
Oh Pariah if I told you the reason why homosexuality is immoral you’d still be an unrelenting pervert. It’s too late for you to change anyway. Old sex habits die hard.
In other words, you have no reasons. Pathetic Vicky. You’re pathetic.
Miss Vicky, if you can’t distinguish between not being interested at all in the opposite sex, and hating heterosexuality, you have no business commenting on anything else.
It’s all the same to me. Your lack of interest in the opposite sex stems from a hatred of what’s normal. Be different if you must but don’t expect everybody to accept your freakishness.
Oh Vicky, are you really this dumb? I don’t hate the opposite sex, I just don’t want to have sex with them. I assume you don’t want to have sex with women–does that mean you hate them?
So you “don’t want to have sex with them”. Do you ever sit down and ask yourself why? There’s got to be a reason other than you’re just not interested in heterosexual sex. Your secret’s safe with me!
Vicky, Why does there have to be another reason? That’s just more stupidity. Do you ask yourself why you don’t want to sleep with women? Do you ask yourself why you (hopefully) don’t want to sleep with children? Or horses? I don’t want to sleep with women because I’m not attracted to them sexually and I would not want to hurt a woman by pretending to be attracted to her so that I could meet your approval when I’m just not interested.
The whole “ex-gay” thing is very selfish that way. The idea that it’s okay to become involved with someone you’re not attracted to just to conform to some sort of code–that’s truly damaging to families–both spouses and children.
Vicky said “I tolerate homosexuals everyday. But insisting that homosexuality is normal or even genetic will not be tolerated by people like me who know better. I’m not out to “hurt and oppress”. But if it happens because of my outspokenness, so be it! You’ll be losing sleep over it not me.”.
Only a madman thinks its tolerance to take actions you know will hurt and oppress and then laugh about how unhurt you are by the harm you’ve caused innocent people. That’s not tolerance, that’s psychopathy.
Vicky said “I don’t care if you consider my views legally discriminating. Slavery was legal too, but that didn’t make it morally right.”.
A false analogy only a fool would make. Slavery was morally wrong because it harmed innocent people. Gayness harms no one and is thus by definition moral. You do everything you can to promote harm against innocent gays, your actions are by definition immoral. Like the people who owned slaves you seek to deny innocent people all the rights of citizenship. It is you who is immoral, not LGBT people.
Vicky said “Now if Obama wants to oppress people like me by using laws to suppress our opinions, you and him can expect some resistance”.
Please, stop playing the victim. No one is stopping you from screaming your bigotry from the highest rooftops. You’re confusing criticism with suppression. No one is infringing on your freedom of speech but you have no right to freedom from criticism. What a hypocrite you are. No one is trying to stop you from marrying the person you love or from having children, or is trying to fire you from your job or evict you from your home for being heterosexual. It is you who is doing that to gay people, you are the oppressor, you are the aggressor, you are evil.
Vicky said “All the drones, sanctions and persecutions in the world will never stop truth”.
If you didn’t lie you’d have no argument at all. Enough of the melodrama, there are no drones, no sanctions and no persecutions. Being criticized doesn’t make you a victim. Attacking innocent gays as you do is the crime, not criticism of injustice.
Vicky said “It will inevitably triumph over all the homosexual lobby’s lies, just like it did over 400 years of slavery in America. For those who want to draw parallels between white racism and gay oppression, there’s one for you.”.”.
The truth IS triumphing. A majority and ever growing percentage of the American population now supports marriage equality. After losing most marriage equality referendums up until November 2012 the good guys have won the last four in a row. The tide has turned. The arc of history is long but it bends towards justice. Although you’ll never admit it, even you can see that although you may win the occaisional battle in the future, you can’t win the war. 70% of young people support marriage equality, you bigots are all dying off. The truth wins out.
Vicky said “Homosexuality is not going to be considered any less of a sexual deviation just because you deny that it is. I’m not falling for all your weak psychological tactics of dismiss and disclaim”
The American Pyschiatric Assocition says “homosexuality is a normal, natural, and healthy variant of human sexuality.” Far from dismisssing and disclaiming, we fully acknowledge the reality, it is you who is in denial. The bigots who think like you are dying off every day and being replaced by young people who are fully accepting of the humanity and goodness of LGBT people.
Vicky said. You will resist admitting to being in error, and I can understand that. Pride is stubborn and it often gets in the way of seeing things clearly.”.
It has nothing to do with pride. The only possible error of gay people would be to hurt others, gayness hurts no one so is obviously not an error – that’s as clear as it gets. Once again, it is you who has blinders on, you are blinded by rage and can no longer distinguish right from wrong.
Vicky said “Do I hate you for that… no.”.
Your lies don’t get much more transparent than that. You are obviously motivated solely by blind hate, you gave that away when you said “If you are hurt and oppressed because of my outspokenness, so be it! You’ll be losing sleep over it not me.” – that’s the statement of a psychopath.
Vicky said “But I will be eternally at odds with you on agreeing that homosexuality is normal and worthy of being aggressively legislated around”.
See how twisted by rage your mind has become? You insanely call gays and lesbians seeking the same rights you have as being “agressively legislated around”. We don’t care if you’re eternally at odds with the truth, you are increasingly being seen as the irrelevant hate filled bigot you are. You will die and be remembered as a sad and shameful example of your people.
Vicky said “And people who attack those who want to overcome homosexuality will know I’m disgusted, or rather my hatred as you insist on calling it. No I’m not denying that I am totally outraged by what I see happening in the the name of equal rights for homosexuals, bisexuals, and God knows what else sexuals”.
Once again, your rage knows no bounds. You are committed to harming and oppressing the innocent, you will be remembered as nothing but the evil man you are. No one wants to “overcome homosexuality” because they have a problem with being gay, they attempt to change orientations as a means of avoiding the hatred, oppression, discrimination, and demonization by people like you. Gayness is not the problem for those who “want to overcome homosexuality”, YOU are.
.Vicky said “To have to live in a world where men and women insist that they should have been born the other gender disturbs me plenty. Seeing them after being butchered by a surgeons knife makes me want to rebel. It is an eye sore and an insult to my intelligence to have to embrace them as “normal”. That is an injustice in my estimation! And contrary to what you so fallaciously believe I am far from being the odd one out on that.”.
The disturbance you feel towards transexuals is YOUR problem, not ours. You have a right to live your life as you choose, but only an evil madman thinks he’s got a right to tell others how to live or what they can do with their bodies. I own my body, not you and I have and will modify it as I see fit and you will NEVER have a say in it. Only in a mind as deranged as yours is it an injustice for people to do as they will with their own bodies. I had my penis cut off and it is you who will be losing sleep over it, not me.
As for you thinking that we are ” not on the side of truth and that is why your side and its endless lies are losing more and more each year”, again that is your delusion. You need to think again, only this time try and be more realistic. Otherwise you’ll be in for a very rude awakening!”.
LOL, the rude awakening is happening to you as we speak. You’ve seen the polls, you’ve seen the last four referendums we won on marriage equality, you’ve seen things consistently moving towards equality for the last few decades.. Even though you’ll never admit it you know you’ve already lost the culture war you started. You know you’re losing and that’s why you explode with impotent anger on LGBT web sites.
Vicky said “And just so you know, I’m no Christian.”.
Don’t expect a medal, you purveyor of evil.
Gee Pariah. “Gayness harms no one and is thus by definition moral.” Neither does bestiality, but it’s still by my definition immoral.
Vicky, whose definition is that? Yours? I don’t view you as a monolith of morality.
Your view is entirely subjective. Therefore it’s of no real consequence to me. Thank God!
Vicky, learn from your own words. Your view is subjective and unimportant to everyone here. The only reason we’re going on with you is to see just how stupid you’ll get.
So you’re comparing us to zoophiles, a recognized sexual deviance, and you’re claiming that you don’t hate us. How does that work?
Ok I hate you. Happy now?
Vicky, hate from you is a badge of honor. Having bigots hate you is no shame.
Vicky said “You clearly hate heterosexuality too.”.
Nonsense. I love heterosexuality, I’m in a heterosexual relationship. If we hated heterosexuality we’d be trying to pass laws denying heterosexuals the right to marriage, employment, housing and children – as you do to LGBTs. Heterosexuals are amongst the strongest proponents for equal rights for gays and lesbians. We LOVE heterosexuals, don’t confuse our disdain for YOU as a disdain for heterosexuals.
Vicky said “Because if you didn’t you wouldn’t have such a problem facing up to the fact that it is normal for you to be attracted to the opposite sex.”.
It’d be normal for gays and lesbians to be attracted to the opposite sex, if they were attracted to the opposite sex – they aren’t, thats why its normal for them to be attracted to the same sex. As the American Psychiatric Association says, “Homosexuality is a normal, natural, and heathy variant of human sexuality.”.
So you think I’m lying about not being a Christian and I think you’re pretending to be straight just to prove a point. I guess that makes us just about even.
Vicky, wait, when did Priya Lynn claim to be heterosexual?
Hi Danny.
Priya Lynn February 28, 2013 at 11:32 am ” I love heterosexuality, I’m in a heterosexual relationship.” Unless that’s a lie too.
Oh, I get it Vicky, you think that because Priya Lynn is in a heterosexual relationship that mean heterosexual–bisexuality or pansexuality never enters into your little black and white world. You need to open your horizons.
Priya said “We LOVE heterosexuals, don’t confuse our disdain for YOU as a disdain for heterosexuals.”.
Not that I consider Vicky a heterosexual, he’s most likely a self-loathing person with same sex attractions. If he honestly wasn’t a christian he’d see he has no basis for claiming gayness isn’t moral and he wouldn’t be in such a panic to reject it in both society and himself.
” he’s most likely a self-loathing person with same sex attractions”.
I don’t loath me but it’s pretty obvious you do.
Well, Vicky, you’re trying pretty hard to earn our contempt. It’s not like you came on here full of rainbows and fluffy bunnies.
Hopefully I won’t be leaving here with any either. But you guys are great fun!
Oh Vicky, you won’t leave with any bunnies–but you are already pretty full of what comes out of the hind end.
Here you go Vicky – read up on the gay gene:
http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2013/02/28/54118#more-54118
Scroll up to get to the beginning.
Right Pariah, I’m just back from reading the article. It was a bit steep. You care to simply it for me by putting it in your own words?
I’d really appreciate it.
Vicky, just say you didn’t read it or you didn’t understand it. We all will believe that you didn’t understand it. Your comprehension skills are apparent.
I did. Apparently you missed it.
Vicky, I miss a lot with you–there’s not much to you to get. Bigots are all pretty simple and that’s what you are. Simple.
Vicky, I say you’re a liar when you claim “I’m no christian.”.
If you’re no christian on what basis do you claim gayness is immoral?
. “I own my body, not you and I have and will modify it as I see fit and you will NEVER have a say in it.” You’d probably look better with a bone through your nose.
Vicky? “Bone through your nose”? Was that a racist comment? And for all you know maybe someone will look better with a bone through their nose. Maybe you need to not be so conventional. Maybe you should put in some ear extenders–or some of those plates in your lips. Maybe you need to leave your subdivision occasionally.
No it wasn’t a racist comment, stupid.
Vicky, I know your comment was stupid, don’t be too hard on yourself–not that you would. You make yourself out to be a victim while you’re victimizing others–it’s what you do.
Vicky said “Gee Pariah. “Gayness harms no one and is thus by definition moral.” Neither does bestiality, but it’s still by my definition immoral.
Its immoral because the animal can’t give informed consent. Same sex sex between consenting adults harms no one and is by defintiion moral.
Vicky said “Your view is entirely subjective. Therefore it’s of no real consequence to me. Thank God!”.
The truth comes out, in all your spinning and twisting you couldn’t help revealing what really motivates you. You oppose gayness because of religion, without religion you have no basis for your claim that gayness is immoral. You are a christian, you just lie about it because you think that will give you credibility.
No doubt you’ll repeat your lie and claim you’re not a christian again. If you want us to believe that, then why are you afraid to tell us on what basis you consider gayness immoral.
Tell us Vicky, on what non-religious basis do you consider gayness immoral?
Admit it, you can’t think of any justifiable basis,
“Tell us Vicky, on what non-religious basis do you consider gayness immoral?” On the non-religious basis that any perverted act is immoral.
Oh, Vicky, now I get it. You’re a child.
And a child genius at that.
No, just a child. Or at least mentally a child.
Why not just admit you’re religious? It’s immoral to lie.
And as, I’m not sure who it was said, I am in a heterosexual relationship (a woman married to a man) but I myself am bisexual.
And a confused one at that!
Not confused, Priya is bisexual and knows it. Not confusing at all.
What are you partially blind? Confused not confusing.
Wow Vicky, now you’re insulting blind people. Priya’s bisexual. How is that confusing?
Vicky said “I don’t loath me but it’s pretty obvious you do.”.
Oh, admit it Vicky, we BOTH loathe you. I loathe you because you seek to promote harm against innocent people and you loathe yourself because you’ve been taught to see your same sex attractions as shameful.
. “I loathe you because you seek to promote harm against innocent people and you loathe yourself because you’ve been taught to see your same sex attractions as shameful.” Don’t be so dramatic Pariah. I’m not seeking to harm you. Contradicting you is a hellova lot more fun…..and a lot safer. As for being taught it’s shameful, I skipped same-sex attraction and therefore got an F. I guess that stands for Fail.
No Vicky, you are trying to harm us. You’re trying to prevent us from achieving equal rights. You’re trying to encourage us into damaging and dangerous therapies or to live sad, lonely lives. You’re trying to harm us in a major way but you’re so entitled to don’t realize it.
I’m trying to get you to see sense. Stop being paranoid!
No Vicky, you’re not trying to get us to see sense–and we’re not paranoid. We don’t have the same rights as heterosexuals and if you think we do you are truly deluded.
What am I saying? Of course you’re deluded.
You have no good motive for doing what you’re doing Vicky. You’re bored and so you’re coming on here trying to raise people’s blood levels by being a bigot. We all know what you’re doing. Don’t try to pretend you have some altruistic motive because you don’t.
Vicky said “I’m just back from reading the article. It was a bit steep. You care to simply it for me by putting it in your own words?
I’d really appreciate it.”.
What it said was that while no particular gene has been found to account for gayness in people far more is unknown about genes than known and this does not prove that genes are not responsible for gayness entirely or to some degree.
“What it said was that while no particular gene has been found to account for gayness in people far more is unknown about genes than known and this does not prove that genes are not responsible for gayness entirely or to some degree.” Duly noted!
Vicky, guess what–there’s no particular gene that causes heterosexuality either–oh no!
Vicky said ” I’m not seeking to harm you.”.
You already admitted you were, you previously said if gays and lesbians happen to get hurt and oppressed because of your outspokenness, “so be it! You’ll be losing sleep over it not me.”.
You are attempting to rob gays and lesbians of the right to marry, adopt, and to not be fired from their jobs or evicted from their homes for who they are. You are seeking to falsely portray gays as wrondoers to encourage discrimination against them. You said you support discriminating against gays. You most certainly are seeking to harm gays, you wouldn’t be telling lies about them on the internet if you weren’t.
I said ““Tell us Vicky, on what non-religious basis do you consider gayness immoral?”
Vicky said “On the non-religious basis that any perverted act is immoral”.
per·vert·ed/pərˈvɜrtɪd/ [per-vur-tid]
adjective
1. Pathology . changed to or being of an unnatural or abnormal kind: a perverted interest in death.
2. turned from what is right; wicked; misguided; distorted.
If you mean based on meaning (1) then that is the naturalistic fallacy (look it up). Wheter or not something is natural does not determine whether or not it is moral. It is not natural to brush your teeth, it is natural to get cancer and die.
If you mean based on meaning (2) then you’re using circular logic which is also fallacious – that’s saying “gayness is immoral because its immoral” – that’s a falsehood.
You still have not given any basis on which to claim gayness is immoral. If you’re not lying about not being a christian then on what basis do you claim gayness is immoral?
Vicky said “I’m trying to get you to see sense”.
We have perfect sense. People have a moral right to do whatever they want as long as they aren’t hurting others. You have no right to tell others how to live their lives. Everyone deserves the same rights.
You are talking nonsense, you are trying to get us to accept nonsense. We won’t do it.
Vicky said “Oh Pariah if I told you the reason why homosexuality is immoral you’d still be an unrelenting pervert. It’s too late for you to change anyway. Old sex habits die hard.”.
Perverted means “unnatural and wrong” so that’s just circular logic and the naturalistic fallacy to claim gayness is wrong because its “perverted”. It is not unnatural in any event and .anything which does not harm others is moral so gayness by definition is moral and your attempts to promote harm and oppression of gays is by definition immoral – you are the pervert here..
Research has shown that the vast majority of homophobes are secretly turned on by gay sex. You’re not ranting at us because gayness is wrong, you’re ranting at us because you’re afraid of who you really are and you mistakenly think fighting gayness in society will help you fight it in yourself.
We both know if you had a real reason to believe gayness was immoral you’d be shouting it from the highest rooftops every opportunity you got – you won’t tell us a reason why gayness is immoral because you don’t have one
Pariah I notice you seem to be getting my replies when I reply to you, but I don’t get to see what I’ve posted here.
Vicky, not that your replies are worth reading.
You obviously look forward to reading and replying to all of them. I write for sport. You’re offense, I’m defense.
How are you defense when you came here and started attacking us with no provocation?
Vicky, that doesn’t mean they’re worth reading. It just means that I like answering your silly posts.
Also Vicky, you write for sport? In other words you’re a troll. Well done troll girl.
Vicky said “I write for sport”.
Once again, try as you might, you can’t avoid slipping up and occaisionally admitting the truth.. All this talk about how you don’t hate gays and you’re concerned about morality is just B.S., you’re here because you hate LGBT people and you want to antagonize them.
Pariah I never used to “hate” gays and actually had a few gay friends. But since all the radical gay lobbying and the transgender movement I’ve withdrawn myself from them. I don’t want us to feel uncomfortable around each other because they know I’ve been doing a lot of reading on the issue of gay rights in America and I am therefore opposed to much of it.
I don’t care to elaborate on my reasons for saying that at this particular time, so don’t bother to ask why.
Vicky, I noticed you “had” a few gay friends. I’m sure they got tired of dealing with your bigotry.
But, you admit that you never used to hate gays–so you’re admitting that you do now.
There’s nothing “radical” about wanting equal rights.
You don’t care to elaborate on your reasons because your reasons are weak and you know it.
Danni you’re another reason why gays shouldn’t be in the military.
You’re never on target.
Vicky, what a pathetic loser you are. You say you do this “for sport”. Why don’t you take up running or something instead so your body doesn’t get as flabby as your intellect. You’ve lost all your friends and you’ve spent days posting here without any real result. You’ve shown yourself to be a hateful bigot that no one would want to know personally–and for what? Sport?
You’re just sad. You need a hobby. You need friends. You obviously don’t have a family that cares about you or they would have stopped you from doing this.
You’ve shown yourself to be a troll–you got what you want, some people got mad at you–what a great accomplishment. I’m sure you can be proud. Go out and tell all your gay former friends what you’ve done. Tell the people at your church that you’ve shown yourself to be an intollerant bigot. Just go away.
Becky’s right Vicky. You’re pathetic and we’ve spent too much time on a troll who probably doesn’t even believe what she’s (assuming you’re even a woman) saying. Have a good life Vicky–or rather, get a good life. Rather than doing this “for sport” why don’t you take up an actual sport and do something with your sad life.
Really pathetic Vicky, gays already can serve in the military. You must not have a grasp of current events. Gays always served in the military but now they can do it openly. Just as soon gays will be allowed to marry and people like you will just look like what you are–pathetic bigots and trolls. How great that you decided to come on here and show what a loser you are.
Vicky said ” I never used to “hate” gays”.
And so now you’re admitting that you do – that’s progress in getting you to acknowledge the truth.
Vicky said “But since all the radical gay lobbying and the transgender movement I’ve withdrawn myself from them. I don’t want us to feel uncomfortable around each other because they know I’ve been doing a lot of reading on the issue of gay rights in America and I am therefore opposed to much of it.
I don’t care to elaborate on my reasons for saying that at this particular time, so don’t bother to ask why.”.
I already know your reasons for saying that. Completely heterosexual men are at worst indifferent to gays. The most ardent opponents of equality often turn out to be gay themselves and that is your reason for saying your opposed to equality. You resent gays who accept themselves while you feel you make a sacrifice to suppress your same sex attractions. You think its unfair for gays to be comfortable with who they are when you’re not. You think if you try to oppress gays that’ll help you to suppress your own same sex attractions and also help convince those around you that you are not same sex attracted yourself.
I don’t hate you Vicky, I hate the evil that you do and that you’ve internalized society’s hatred and hate yourself. I want you to be whole and happy. The American Psychiatric Association says those same sex attracted people who positively accept their orientation are happier and better adjusted than those who do not. I want you to accept yourself, be happy and well adjusted.
If you’ll just open your heart we can make the world a better place for you and me.
Pariah I will decline your offer to privately discuss anything with you. Whatever we have to say to each other will be discussed openly on this site for the benefit of the readers here.
No, I am not same-sex attracted and neither have I ever resented gays for accepting themselves as homosexual. On the contrary, I do respect those of whom I have had the pleasure of meeting, befriending and even working with as colleagues. But I do believe wholeheartedly that homosexuality is not normal, natural or even morally justifiable. These are not feelings that I have “internalized” I like to think that I have the moral capacity to make my own judgements and will therefore not be persuaded by views which I believe are immoral. With that I will also let you know that, yes, I AM opposed to gay marriage, and sex changing as I do not see these as issues of equality. To me these are issues of morality and even sanity. You mention the APA. One only needs to look at the state of America to see the failures of such an institution which is supposed to ensure the mental health of a nation.
I don’t hate you either, but I do find you a bit too presumptuous for my liking. And I understand why you’re like that too.
Most, if not all of the “ardent opponents of equality” who I know are heterosexuals. I’ve had a few conversations with so-called ex-gays and have learned about their experiences with the gay community once they leave. But they only suffer because they’ve become Christians. So Pariah be comfortable with who you are, but I’ll always believe in man for woman, and that will never change. I will believe that for as long as I can think.
Vicky, I hope you’re not gay because we don’t want you. You’re pathetic and you should just go back into your parent’s basement and go troll somewhere else.
Of course you’ll decline Priya’s offer (and really, what’s with the names? Are you twelve?) You’ll decline it because you’re a fake. You’re not a real person and even if you are it doesn’t matter–because you don’t matter. Your whole outlook is dying out. We will achieve equal rights and people like you will fade into obscurity as we become full members of society–and that’s what really bothers you.
Or maybe not–you’re a troll. Everything you say is a lie.
Goodbye Vicky (Victor?)–live your life with all your cats and no friends. Even your cats don’t really like you.
Vicky, email me at priya dot lynn at sasktel dot net and we’ll talk in private.
Priya, she’s not a real person. She doesn’t want to talk because that would mean facing who she is.
Becky said “Priya, she’s not a real person. She doesn’t want to talk because that would mean facing who she is.”.
No doubt you’re right about that Becky. Vicky did say he was a man though.
Vicky said “I will decline your offer to privately discuss anything with you. Whatever we have to say to each other will be discussed openly on this site for the benefit of the readers here.”.
Fine with me but I have no doubt you don’t want to be honest and open on this site. And certainly you’ve been badly losing every argument you’ve made on this site so I’m not sure what sport you find in being repeatedly trounced.
Vicky said “No, I am not same-sex attracted and neither have I ever resented gays for accepting themselves as homosexual.”.
False and false. If you didn’t resent self accepting gays you wouldn’t be trolling gay web sites and trying to shame them for sport. Men who are completely heterosexual are either accepting or indifferent towards gays, homophobes are almost always attempting to suppress their own same sex attractions by attacking the external representation of those attractions:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/homophobic-maybe-youre-gay.html?_r=2
“WHY are political and religious figures who campaign against gay rights so often implicated in sexual encounters with same-sex partners? In recent years, Ted Haggard, an evangelical leader who preached that homosexuality was a sin, resigned after a scandal involving a former male prostitute; Larry Craig, a United States senator who opposed including sexual orientation in hate-crime legislation, was arrested on suspicion of lewd conduct in a men’s bathroom; and Glenn Murphy Jr., a leader of the Young Republican National Convention and an opponent of same-sex marriage, pleaded guilty to a lesser charge after being accused of sexually assaulting another man.
One theory is that homosexual urges, when repressed out of shame or fear, can be expressed as homophobia. Freud famously called this process a “reaction formation” — the angry battle against the outward symbol of feelings that are inwardly being stifled. Even Mr. Haggard seemed to endorse this idea when, apologizing after his scandal for his anti-gay rhetoric, he said, “I think I was partially so vehement because of my own war.”
It’s a compelling theory — and now there is scientific reason to believe it. In this month’s issue of the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, we and our fellow researchers provide empirical evidence that homophobia can result, at least in part, from the suppression of same-sex desire.”
http://www.petertatchell.net/lgbt_rights/homophobia/bigots_are_buggers.htm
“Research by US psychologists suggests that 80 percent of men who are homophobic have secret homosexual feelings. This finding lends scientific support to the long-standing speculation that those who shout the loudest against homosexuality have something to hide. The research results were published in the prestigious Journal of Abnormal Psychology, with the backing of the American Psychological Association.”
Vicky said “On the contrary, I do respect those of whom I have had the pleasure of meeting, befriending and even working with as colleagues.”
Nonsense. If you respected gay people you wouldn’t be trying to deny them the same rights you have. That’s an action that only comes out of animous.
Vicky said “But I do believe wholeheartedly that homosexuality is not normal, natural or even morally justifiable.”.
We’ve already established that you have no basis on which to claim gayness is immoral. You initially said its immoral because its perverted but perverted means unnatural and wrong so that’s just circular logic to say gayness is wrong because its wrong. Further, gayness exists in virtually every animal species in which scientists have looked for it so obviously gayness is natural. When I pointed this out to you twice you then pathetically claimed you had a basis on which to claim gayness was immoral but you weren’t going to tell us what it was. That’s obviously absurd because we both know if you had a real basis on which to make that claim you’d be posting it furiously on every LGBT web site you could. The truth is anything which does not harm others is moral so gayness by definition is moral and your attempts to destroy those relationships and deny innocent gays equality are by definition immoral.
Vicky said “These are not feelings that I have “internalized”
The research and the steady string of prominent opponents of gay equality being caught in same sex affairs says otherwise.
Vicky said “I like to think that I have the moral capacity to make my own judgements.”.
You have that capacity, but you are not using it. You are hiding from the reality that you have no basis on which to claim gayness is immoral.
Vicky said “With that I will also let you know that, yes, I AM opposed to gay marriage, and sex changing as I do not see these as issues of equality.”.
The first is absurd, of course its an issue of equality when you are allowed to marry the consenting person of your choosing and gays are not. The second is none of your business, you have no right to tell anyone what they can do with their body, the only life you have a right to control is your own.
Vicky said “To me these are issues of morality and even sanity.”.
No they’re not. That’s what you tell yourself to maintain your denial of your own same sex attractions.
Vicky said “You mention the APA. One only needs to look at the state of America to see the failures of such an institution which is supposed to ensure the mental health of a nation.”.
The best the APA can do is provide guidance to people and as you show in spades they can’t force anyone to take their good advice – you’re responsible for your own lack of mental health, not the APA. They’ve pointed the way to happiness and mental health for you but you refuse to take their advice. Your internalized anquish is your own choice.
Vicky said “I don’t hate you either.”.
False, You’ve admitted on at least five occaisions that you do hate LGBT people: You repeatedly refered to me as “Pariah”. You stated if your actions result in LGBTs being hurt and oppressed, you don’t care, you won’t lose any sleep over it. You stated “Ok I hate you. Happy now?”, You said “I never used to hate gays and actually had a few gay friends. But since all the radical gay lobbying and the transgender movement I’ve withdrawn myself from them” – there you specified “never used to hate”, past tense, indirectly and unintentionally acknowledging that you now do hate gays and you do so so much you’ve turned your back on your friends over it. You then admitted that you post the things you do on gay sites “for sport”. You’re not here out of any moral concern, that’s just an excuse. You’re here to antagonize innocent people because you enjoy it – that’s hate and nothing but hate.
Vicky said “Most, if not all of the “ardent opponents of equality” who I know are heterosexuals.”.
LOL, what you mean is that “Most if not all of the ardent opponents of equality you know CLAIM to be heterosexuals” just as you claim to be and use your attacks on gays to try to dispel suspicion of being gay yourself.
Vicky said ” I’ve had a few conversations with so-called ex-gays and have learned about their experiences with the gay community once they leave. But they only suffer because they’ve become Christians.”.
Nonsense. 70% of American LGBTs are christians and there’s no such thing as an “Exgay” who wasn’t already a christian when they decided to suppress their orientation (you’ll be extremely hard pressed to find an atheist “exgay”). “Exgays” are only criticized when they try to con other gays and lesbians into sacrificing their happiness to live the same lonely lives of despair or to enter into a sham marriage that will almost certainly end in a broken home and great harm to the deceived heterosexual spouse and any children they had. The APA says Gays and lesbians who positively accept their orientation are happier and better adjusted than those who don’t. “Exgays” don’t suppress who they are because their gayness bothers them, they suppress their orientation as a means to avoiding the oppression, demonization and shaming they experience from people like you. YOU are the problem, not gayness.
Vicky said “I’ll always believe in man for woman, and that will never change. I will believe that for as long as I can think”.
What a waste of a life. If you weren’t in denial about your own same sex attractions there’s no way you’d be investing all this time and energy in attacking innocent LGBT people. You do it because attacking the external representation of who you are inside makes you feel like you can succeed in stopping those attractions – you can’t. You are determined to sacrifice much of your happiness and wellbeing out of a misguided attempt to fit in with the religious bigotry you’ve wrongly accepted as truth. I hope one day you’ll accept what you know deep down inside to be the truth and maximize your happiness and wellbeing – “The essence of morality is do whatever you want, but harm no one.” Gayness is by definition moral, your attempts to oppress and harm innocent gays are by definition immoral..
Pariah you are deluded beyond repair.
Like I said before, bad sex habits die hard, so stay in your sexually confused and perverted comfort zone. Just learn to accept that not everybody thinks you’re morally justifiable because you ain’t. All your lengthy replies won’t change that either.
Man to woman is best for life, for children and for families. Nice acting homos, trannies and bisexuals claiming to love each other will never ideally replace that. It ain’t nothing like the real thing baby!
Pathetic Vicky, I’ve tried the man and woman thing. It didn’t work because I wasn’t interested in him–I loved him but sex wasn’t fun. Once again, you don’t know what you’re talking about because you’re pathetic.
This entire thread has turned into one big guilty pleasure, like sneaking a peak at a supermarket tabloid at the grocery store!
The level of fingers in the ear “lalala I can’t hear you” logic by Vicky has offered days of entertainment.
I’m waiting for “the world is flat, it is it is IT IS BECAUSE I SAY IT IS” to show up next!
Who even remembers what the original thread topic was??
Vicky, you haven’t offered a basis on which to claim gayness is immoral or pervereted because there isn’t one.
You don’t want to engage in an honest back and forth discussion because you’ve seen your every argument here debunked and you know in your heart you can’t justify your bigotry.
Gays and lesbians entering into opposite sex marriages results in broken families and deeply wounded heterosexual spouses and children. Decades and decades of research has overwhelmingly shown children of same sex couples do just as well, if not better than the children of heterosexual couples. Heterosexuals frequently have unplanned and unwanted children they are not properly equipped to care for. Same sex couples children are planned, wanted, and their care is fully prepared for and that’s why children raised by them often do better than the children raised by heterosexuals.
Pariah you’ve also proven yourself to be a liar. I did give you my reason for saying homosexuality is immoral. The fact is you never replied to that post. And strangely enough it never actually appeared on the site. And I know you’ve seen it because you’ve replied to another one that was not shown.
So typical of homosexuals to lie and deceive, which is the main reason why I don’t want to associate with any of you. That sort of behavior is part and parcel of your lifestyle. You can’t help it because you live a lie.
I can repeat myself till I’m blue in the face but you’ll still twist and distort the truth until it suits your perverted ideas. You’re known for that. And as I am not “obsessed with gays” or having the last word like you all are, I’ll leave any further thoughts to your warped and vile imaginations. That should be really telling!
Pathetic Vicky, you’re pathetic.
If you don’t want to associate with us then why did you go out of your way to post on this site?
You are truly pathetic.
Vicky is a self loathing same sex attracted man who wrongly thinks attacking the self-accepting gays and lesbians he hates will relieve him of his inner turmoil. No completely heterosexual man is so obsessed with gayness.
Come out of the closet already Vicky and start living life instead of simply existing in a cesspool of self-loathing.
“No completely heterosexual man is so obsessed with gayness.”
But Priya!!!! They keep telling us they are completely heterosexual. How can you claim other wise?
How can you tell someone you’ve never met, you don’t know, and don’t know anything about what’s gonig on inside of their heads?
Heterosexuals would NEVER, EVER think of doing that to gay people.
Vicky said “Pariah you’ve also proven yourself to be a liar. I did give you my reason for saying homosexuality is immoral. The fact is you never replied to that post”.
No, you gave a non-reason why gayness is immoral – you said it was perverted and I DID reply to that post on Feb 28 2013 5:36 PM and said:
You then replied to that on March 1, 2013 at 2:36 PM and said that you had a reason but you weren’t going to tell me what it was.
So, it is you that’s a liar, not me. You claimed gayness was immmoral on the basis that it was perverted – that’s a non-reason as I explained on Feb 28 and at least once after that.
The truth is you have given no basis on which to make the claim that gayness is immoral or perverted(same thing as immoral). You have given no reason because you have no reason.
We have debunked one lie after another of yours and you’ve hid from honest debate behind insults and repetition of the same debunked lies as we see yet again here.
You are a self loathing same sex attracted man who wrongly thinks attacking the self-accepting gays and lesbians he hates will relieve him of his inner turmoil
Vicky? Vicky? Where are you Vicky? I’m not done spanking you! I like spanking closeted gay and bisexual men.
She’s pathetic.