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		<title>By: Rupert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rupert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2011 08:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Therefore, the American Psychiatric Association opposes any psychiatric treatment, such as reparative or conversion therapy which is based upon the assumption that homosexuality per se is a mental disorder or based upon the a priori assumption that the patient should change his/her sexual homosexual orientation&quot;
THIS IS THE VIEW OF AMERICAN PSYCHIATRIC AND PSYCHOLOGICAL ASSOCIATIONS.
Please update your Article or DELETE. Its outdated and misleading.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Therefore, the American Psychiatric Association opposes any psychiatric treatment, such as reparative or conversion therapy which is based upon the assumption that homosexuality per se is a mental disorder or based upon the a priori assumption that the patient should change his/her sexual homosexual orientation&#8221;<br />
THIS IS THE VIEW OF AMERICAN PSYCHIATRIC AND PSYCHOLOGICAL ASSOCIATIONS.<br />
Please update your Article or DELETE. Its outdated and misleading.</p>
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		<title>By: Truth Wins Out - Top 10 Ex-Gay-Related Events of 2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truth Wins Out - Top 10 Ex-Gay-Related Events of 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Association report that was so pathetic it was virtually ignored by the media.By the end of 2009, NARTH had solidified its place as a cabal of embittered and irrelevant quacks on the far outer fringes of psychology. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Association report that was so pathetic it was virtually ignored by the media.By the end of 2009, NARTH had solidified its place as a cabal of embittered and irrelevant quacks on the far outer fringes of psychology. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Break the Terror (Evan)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Break the Terror (Evan)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What Patrick said.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Patrick said.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Fitzgerald</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/opinion/2009/11/4813/comment-page-1/#comment-14747</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Fitzgerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the record, and for anyone who may be interested, &lt;a href=&quot;http://genocideforjesus.blogspot.com/2009/01/dr-phil-invites-expert-shyster-dr.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I transcribes the Lisa Diamond interview&lt;/a&gt; awhile back, please feel free to use it.
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Kuno says:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I hear about NARTH thanks this website, then I attend the NART Conference an probably the gay community needs to know better what really this association does… Im a gay man and I attend the conference for curiosity and understand the other point of view.. If we claim diversity we cannot deny that are people that does not want to be gay and APA says it is fine for religious view … Diversity includes ALL…&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;I&gt;Diversity includes ALL…&lt;/I&gt;

No it doesn&quot;t, and &lt;b&gt;mustn&#039;t&lt;/b&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.lavenderliberal.com/2008/01/21/the-right-not-to-tolerate-the-intolerant/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Karl Popper&lt;/A&gt;: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So, Kuno, if we are to diversify to the point of including those who are anti-diversity (NARTH, Exodus, et al), then we may as well just go back into the closet and/or expect to be imprisoned--or worse--because those are the end goals of NARTH and Exodus. If you don&#039;t realize that about anti-gay organizations, then you&#039;re the one who &quot;needs to know better.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, and for anyone who may be interested, <a href="http://genocideforjesus.blogspot.com/2009/01/dr-phil-invites-expert-shyster-dr.html" rel="nofollow">I transcribes the Lisa Diamond interview</a> awhile back, please feel free to use it.<br />
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Kuno says:</p>
<blockquote><p>I hear about NARTH thanks this website, then I attend the NART Conference an probably the gay community needs to know better what really this association does… Im a gay man and I attend the conference for curiosity and understand the other point of view.. If we claim diversity we cannot deny that are people that does not want to be gay and APA says it is fine for religious view … Diversity includes ALL…</p></blockquote>
<p><i>Diversity includes ALL…</i></p>
<p>No it doesn&#8221;t, and <b>mustn&#8217;t</b>:</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://news.lavenderliberal.com/2008/01/21/the-right-not-to-tolerate-the-intolerant/" rel="nofollow">Karl Popper</a>: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.</p></blockquote>
<p>So, Kuno, if we are to diversify to the point of including those who are anti-diversity (NARTH, Exodus, et al), then we may as well just go back into the closet and/or expect to be imprisoned&#8211;or worse&#8211;because those are the end goals of NARTH and Exodus. If you don&#8217;t realize that about anti-gay organizations, then you&#8217;re the one who &#8220;needs to know better.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Homosexualism has a cure! - Page 6 - Volconvo Debate Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>Homosexualism has a cure! - Page 6 - Volconvo Debate Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Wayne Besen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne Besen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kuno:

I find it interesting that you failed to refute any of the 10 points - and related videos. The reason is, you can&#039;t. 

We have documented NARTH members in their own words. Truth Wins Out has made public their hateful quotes and bizarre methods. 

I&#039;m sorry the facts are painful and inconvenient. That, however, does not change the validity of these 10 points.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kuno:</p>
<p>I find it interesting that you failed to refute any of the 10 points &#8211; and related videos. The reason is, you can&#8217;t. </p>
<p>We have documented NARTH members in their own words. Truth Wins Out has made public their hateful quotes and bizarre methods. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry the facts are painful and inconvenient. That, however, does not change the validity of these 10 points.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First off, to point out the obvious, this post smacks of concern-trolling, or outright trolling.  I&#039;m hard-pressed to think of a self-respecting gay person I&#039;ve ever met who would go to a NARTH conference &quot;just to see the other point of view,&quot; unless she&#039;s a journalist.

But as to the idea that this is merely &quot;another point of view,&quot; I call that a buncha bullroar, and here&#039;s why:

The people who &quot;don&#039;t want to be gay,&quot; for the most part, find themselves feeling that way because of the societal implications of being gay, and more specifically, the anti-gay bigotry that still exists, mostly perpetuated by fundamentalist Christianity in the US.  (And yes, bigotry hiding behind poorly translated/completely misread Bible verses is still bigotry.)

So, you have people, many of whom are readers of this site, who have been so torn down simply because of who they are, by the faith institutions they&#039;ve been taught to trust and rely on for guidance.  So it&#039;s only natural that an organization like NARTH, which lies through its teeth in claiming that it&#039;s a &quot;secular&quot; organization, steps in offering to help these people shed their &quot;unwanted same sex attractions.&quot;  It&#039;s all a scam, and it&#039;s one big self-perpetuating circle of shame, perpetuated by the fundamentalist religious-industrial complex.  

And NO, the APA does NOT say that what NARTH does is okay, nor does it say that it&#039;s possible or even healthy to attempt to change one&#039;s sexual orientation.  In fact, they and many other credible medical mental health organizations have specifically said that the work done by the charlatans at NARTH/Exodus, etc. are harmful, and not valid, accepted psychology.

And no...respecting diversity and being tolerant does NOT include respecting and tolerating the view of intolerant, deceitful bigots!

I hope this helped.

As I said, my concern troll alarm went off hardcore on this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, to point out the obvious, this post smacks of concern-trolling, or outright trolling.  I&#8217;m hard-pressed to think of a self-respecting gay person I&#8217;ve ever met who would go to a NARTH conference &#8220;just to see the other point of view,&#8221; unless she&#8217;s a journalist.</p>
<p>But as to the idea that this is merely &#8220;another point of view,&#8221; I call that a buncha bullroar, and here&#8217;s why:</p>
<p>The people who &#8220;don&#8217;t want to be gay,&#8221; for the most part, find themselves feeling that way because of the societal implications of being gay, and more specifically, the anti-gay bigotry that still exists, mostly perpetuated by fundamentalist Christianity in the US.  (And yes, bigotry hiding behind poorly translated/completely misread Bible verses is still bigotry.)</p>
<p>So, you have people, many of whom are readers of this site, who have been so torn down simply because of who they are, by the faith institutions they&#8217;ve been taught to trust and rely on for guidance.  So it&#8217;s only natural that an organization like NARTH, which lies through its teeth in claiming that it&#8217;s a &#8220;secular&#8221; organization, steps in offering to help these people shed their &#8220;unwanted same sex attractions.&#8221;  It&#8217;s all a scam, and it&#8217;s one big self-perpetuating circle of shame, perpetuated by the fundamentalist religious-industrial complex.  </p>
<p>And NO, the APA does NOT say that what NARTH does is okay, nor does it say that it&#8217;s possible or even healthy to attempt to change one&#8217;s sexual orientation.  In fact, they and many other credible medical mental health organizations have specifically said that the work done by the charlatans at NARTH/Exodus, etc. are harmful, and not valid, accepted psychology.</p>
<p>And no&#8230;respecting diversity and being tolerant does NOT include respecting and tolerating the view of intolerant, deceitful bigots!</p>
<p>I hope this helped.</p>
<p>As I said, my concern troll alarm went off hardcore on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Kuno Beck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kuno Beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hear about NARTH thanks this website, then I attend the NART Conference an probably the gay community needs to know better what really this association does... Im a gay man and I attend the conference for curiosity and understand the other point of view.. If we claim diversity we cannot deny that are people that does not want to be gay and APA says it is fine for religious view ... Diversity includes ALL...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear about NARTH thanks this website, then I attend the NART Conference an probably the gay community needs to know better what really this association does&#8230; Im a gay man and I attend the conference for curiosity and understand the other point of view.. If we claim diversity we cannot deny that are people that does not want to be gay and APA says it is fine for religious view &#8230; Diversity includes ALL&#8230;</p>
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