African violence against the LGBT community is partially the result of American anti-gay and “ex-gay” activists stirring the pot in countries such as Kenya, Rwanda and Uganda. We all know that Exodus International’s board member Don Schmierer was at a Spring 2009 conference in Kampala that helped lead to the notorious Anti-Homosexuality Bill.
However, Truth Wins Out’s research team revealed today that another American “ex-gay” organization, Homosexuals Anonymous, had a conference in Kenya in November 2009. It was led by Doug McIntyre, HA’s Director. According to the organization’s October 2009 newsletter:
On November 3, 2009 the Director of HAFS will begin a visit to the beautiful country of Kenya. We have been invited to begin a new work for the HA program and educate the members of a two thousand member church so that they can begin to reclaim the lost youth of the area. An invitation has been extended to teach in 15 local schools and participate in a leadership training program for nearly 200 pastors and church leaders.
While it remains unclear what happened at this particular HA event, a disturbing patten has seemingly developed. Ex-gay activists appear in African countries right before spasms of violence and persecution erupt.
Is this a mere coincidence or is the groundwork being laid for attacks on LGBT people? Are American ex-gays being used as a means to justify terror tactics and horror against innocent people? Do American “ex-gay” activists allow dangerous regimes and frothing mobs to rationalize violence by claiming, “these people deserve what they get because they can change?”
Truth Wins Out left a message this morning for HA to obtain more information on the group’s role in Kenya. They have yet to return our call.
The BBC reports that Kenyan police have released five people arrested for planning a “gay wedding” north of Mombasa, saying there was no evidence to prosecute them. But police spokesman Martha Mutegi told the BBC the men had been advised to leave the area for their own safety and to avoid angering the local community.
There are, however, those who dispute the BBC report. They claim that a gay wedding never actually took place and that the event was a fabrication in order for anti-forces to incite mob violence.
Homosexuality is illegal in Kenya and punishable by up to 14 years in jail. A BBC reporter in Mombasa says police began a crackdown on the gay community last week following anti-gay protests.
Perhaps it is time that American ex-gay activists stay home and stop creating mischief overseas. (Here is a glimpse of the type of false and destructive message that was brought to Kenya)
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Evan, so good to here from you again. The reason “we constantly bring up that book is that it seems to be the method followed on these blogs and by the organizations that support them. I is nice to know the origin of a stratagy when dealing with blind followers of it. I do not thik the younger generation even is aware of its existance they just blindly follow what has been taught them by the radical fringe of your movement
As to “Anti-sex s**t shaming” the key word is “morals” when you do not practice them STDs of all kinds run rampent. Yes people are going to have sex, but the real men and women will let it be guided by common sense. Which means “If I truly love you I will not put you at risk by allowing myself to indulge in potentially life threatening behaviors. I will use the ability to choose as a man not as just an uncontrolled sex desire.
Yes, but you have no right to dictate anyone else’s morals! Especially your RELIGIOUS morals. And for a person who traipses off to Africa all the time, you don’t seem to know the first thing about the cultural situation in many areas over there, and how lack of real sex education keeps people from making the empowering decisions to protect themselves.
Doug McItyre is so ignorant that he attributes my question “Have you no decency?” to some book I never read. Most educated Americans would recognize it as the question asked publicly of Sen Joseph McCarthy during one of his infamous committee meetings. It marked the beginning of his fall as America began to recognize how despicable he was.
“If it feels good, do it.”
Well, that seems perfectly reasonable to me — isn’t it nature’ way of getting us to do all sorts of things that need doing? — unless there’ a good reason why you shouldn’t.
There may, of course, in any particular instance be all sorts of good reasons why you shouldn’t, but the fact that you’re both of the same sex certainly isn’t one of them.
William, I guess 1% may be correct. And just for clarity, Wayne used the After the ball title when I had used the article written before that under a different title. However the writers of both are the same people but one used a pen name in the first article I quoted.
As to my spelling, I have a physical limitation that does not allow me to type quickly so when I get in a hurry the errors are the result. and I am not used to blogging enough to know all the high tech stuff.
So forgive my minor failing please.
Evan, I only quoted what I saw. You added the religious implication here, Are you so afraid of religion that everything is caused by it. thats paranoid
So you’re not motivated by religion?
Because you’re certainly not motivated by reason, science, or common sense.
John, maybe you aught to read it and stop throwing “MacCarthy hate speach. It dosent work with me.
William, I think you got it!! SSA is not a good reason to put anyone at risk. especially when your organization claims to have the “Truth winning out” We as humans are better than that. If “it feels good” is enough to follow your reasonong I would have to question your abiliy to maturely reason the issue out, or be of help to anyone regarding death threatening issues such as HIV or STDEs.
Doug
Of course, a quote about decency from the McCarthy hearing in the 1950s isn’t going to work on you.
Doug
Do parents in Africa allow you to be alone with their children?
Mr McIntyre
I give you the opinion based on PEER REVIEWED scientific studies, published in accredited, peer revewed journals. I base my opinions on evidence, not what is revealed to me in news reports.
We can see that HIV infections are soaring again in Uganda since2004, since the switch to murderously disastrous abstinence only programs, with money diverted to fanatical condom-burning theocratic nutcases, with encouragement from US pastors.
Another useful source is from Peter Bearman and Hannah Br?ºckner, “Promising the Future: Virginity Pledges as they Affect Transition to First Intercourse,” American Journal of Sociology, 106.4 (2001): 859-912; and Peter Bearman and Hannah Br?ºckner, “After the promise: The STD consequences of adolescent virginity pledges,” Journal of Adolescent Health 36.4 (2005): 859-912.
It is neatly summed up here
http://www.communityactionkit.org/index.cfm?pageId=901
“The study also found that those young people who took a pledge were one third less likely to use contraception when they did become sexually active than their peers who had not pledged. These teens are, therefore, more vulnerable to HIV, other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), and unintended pregnancy. Further research has confirmed that young people who have taken a pledge are equally as likely to contract an STD as their non-pledging peers. The data also shows that in communities where a significant proportion of adolescents (20%) take a virginity pledge, overall STD rates were significantly higher than in other settings.”
You say “I agree that there is a better way, however. It is called marriage.”
This is geat news – I guess you will be supporting gay marriage too? What better way could there be to encourage gay people to settle down, than to ensure their relationship with the person they love the most, are given the same protections and rights as anyone else? You don’t need to answer that by the way.
Yes – we are extremely alarmed by the ‘religious implication’ especially as the bible is not a useful guide to finding out the truth about human nature, our relatinship to the world and the universe, or indeed how life evolved. Religious belief on sexuality for instance, does not have a place in rational debate, since biblical authors had no idea about how the human mind worked, or even where the mind was.
If you have a personal issue with homosexuality – fine, you have the right not to have relationships with other men. So long as you stop telling other people what to do, I don’t give a damn.
The good news, Mr McIntyre, is that unlike sexual orientation, fundamentalist religious belief is changeable and curable. All you need is a good dose of reason, evidence and logic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQjkOFooyG8
If you can provide a good reason why the Legend of Genesis is any nearer to truth than the Hindu myth or the Cherokee myth, then I’ll listen to you. But until then you have all your work ahead of you, and your claims will be met with ridicule.
Evan, you may be right here, the sex education that teaches dangerous lifestyles is even rampant in the US thanks to your efforts to stop anyone that disagrees with you from speaking. usually by intimidation.
As to the lack of morals, history has shown that any culture that allows rampant immorallity is doom to failure.
I have to end this for now as the work ethic needs my attention. (make money to support my wife and family)
It’s been interesting to chat with all of you. I will be back but until then you might find another group to attack.
Doug, you either don’t speak English as your first language or you willfully misconstrue what people say.
Regardless of whether you’re obnoxious or stupid, I’m through.
#56. Yes, Doug, I agree with you. A gay orientation, or SSA as you prefer to call it, is not a good reason to put anyone at risk. Neither is a straight orientation, or DSA (disparate sex attraction) as some might prefer to call it, a good reason to put anyone at risk. Yet both orientations are part of nature; both are, in themselves, good and beautiful, and both have a natural tendency to find consummation in appropriate sexual behaviour. However, we have to face the fact that both types of sexual behaviour can also be the means by which HIV is transmitted, and that in Africa the vast majority of such transmissions are through straight sexual behaviour.
Practically everyone outside a lunatic asylum recognizes that the abolition of straight sex simply isn’t possible, but some seem prepared to entertain the bizarre fantasy that the abolition of gay sex, and even of what they call SSA, is an option in the real world. It isn’t. That’ why we need safer sex programs for both straight and gay people.
gentilemen,
Very little time for blogging today so I will sum up your comments in one note.
The hateful name calling persists as taught in the book we mentioned before.
The “Kit” method of talking points is also mentioned in that book.
The points stated by anyone that does not agree with your varius value systems are demonized as was told to be done in the book.
Thank you all for the use of ” fool”, “obnoxious or stupid”, “my inability to speak english and willfully misconstru”, and all the other derogatory terms used on this blog. They prove that you are following the script well even if you “claim” (I believe that is probably true as most younger people follow blindly only what is fed to them ) you have not read the book.
If the religious terminology is so offensive to all of you, Why do you insist on calling your unions “marriage” which is surely a vile religious term if there ever was one, Why don’t you use the civil rights you have been given and be satisified?
Why don’t you avoid all possibility of putting yourselves in the “religious” camp and do as you have always done, just “do what feels good” without a permanant commitment. (“divorce” ( complete separation of two parties because of among other reasons infidelity)( sorry, another somewhat religious implication.)(maybe I should use the term Non-monogomous )( Should I say seems to just as high if not higher among SSA unions as in the regular population as a whole.)
Thats all for today guys. I’ll get back when I can.
What a conspiracy theorist you are!
Um, Doug? Again. I haven’t read the book. I haven’t been “coached.” I simply stated the obvious, that you willfully miscontrue people’s words. I declined to judge whether or not that was because you were obnoxious or stupid, because I don’t know which I’m dealing with. I’m leaning toward obnoxious. It’s sad, though, that you think people need a book to show them how to deal with a person like you, when all one really needs is a triple digit IQ and basic reading comprehension skills.
“Marriage” is not an exclusively religious term and never has been. Marriage predates the first “revelations” of your “God.” The lowest divorce rates in the nation are in Massachusetts, where marriage equality has been legal the longest. The rest of your questions don’t deserve an answer.
Later.
Really Mr McIntyre,
When will you people learn to mind your own business? As long as you go on interfering in the private lives of others, then you must expect to be ridiculed, or worse. Have your say, by all means, and we’ll have ours. It seems you’re not only rabidly intolerant of gay people, you can’t tolerate criticism.
Marriage is not an exclusively religious term – there is no need to believe in superstitious nonsense, or think that a celestial dictator is watching over you, to settle down in a loving relationship and build a family. This has been happening for hundreds of thousands of years before the any mythical event in the Middle East.
If being gay is not for you – you have the right not to have relationships with other men. Congratulations on your wonderful family – but we are not interested. And the Virginia Statute tells us, we don’t have to follow your superstitious interpretation of what a family should be. The fact that you were a social failure does not mean other gay people will be, as indeed, most gay people are not.
You ridicule and denigrate and attack the dignity of people who mean you no harm, and whom you don’t know. It’s high time people told you what they think of you and high time you got used to it. It’s a moral obligation to do so.
As for doing what feels right – sure will do, thanks, and it’s protected in the declaration of Independence “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
Given Doug McIntyre’s behavior here and his utter contempt for gay people, his work in Africa must be putting the lives of large numbers of gay Africans at grave risk.
His anti-condom campaign puts everyone at risk, as the rising HIV rates in abstinence only areas cwn attest. I can’t imagine what it takes to willfully do so much horrendous damage to one’s fellow human beings.
Seething self-hatred.
Thanks again boys for a demonstration the honesty and loving method you use as part of the messege you want accepted.
As for this comment: “You ridicule and denigrate and attack the dignity of people who mean you no harm, and whom you don’t know. It’ high time people told you what they think of you and high time you got used to it. It’ a moral obligation to do so.”
I think your demonstrations here affirm that theory for yourselves. I did not begin this “Truth wins Out” but it appears to prove that truth is not tolerated here in any form.
as for my getting use to it It has been the MO for your groups since the questions were raised in the 60′s. I was around then and I am very used to this kind of bigotry.
As you misstate my anti condom campaign so well please remember or look back a few post and you will find that I only asked that the truth be told as to the efficiency of condoms, not do away with them. The real problem in telling people they work much better than ythan they do and that the facts prove. It gives some license to happily go thinking the are safe when they are reall very much at risk.
So its not an anti condom campaign its a be truthful campaign and this bolg seems to want to ignor that completely.
Nope, Doug, we only work with verifiable truth, not the kind that religious people put forth, since none of your “truth” can be proven by anyone, anywhere, anyhow, anyway.
It’s all made up.
Doug, you’re a fine one to accuse us of bigotry. We support the equality of all people, you’re all about oppressing those who harm no one. It is you who is the bigot.
>>>>”It has been the MO for your groups since the questions were raised in the 60′. I was around then and I am very used to this kind of bigotry.”
I am not a Christian, and I don’t love my enemies. The animosity is perfectly rational and based purely on what you say and do. It is not bigoted to oppose your evil, nonsensical superstitious preaching based on no evidence.
Doug:
When we spoke, you said that you liked to go to gay bars with your gay friends. Can you please elaborate? Who are these gay friends and which gay bars in Houston do you enjoy?
Wayne
Priya Lynn
If you support equality why not let those of us that have successfully come out of your “lifestyle survive without a constant battle.
Doug McIntyre, how can you claim to come out of someone else’s ‘lifestyle’, when you know nothing of how other people lead their lives?
Sorry – I had to laugh at this paranoid stupidity: ‘let us survive without a constant battle’ Who is stopping you living your life as you see fit? No-one. You are free to live as you please.
You are the people who are determined to stop gay people existing and enjoying the same liberties as everyone else.
Shorter Doug McIntyre:
“WAAAAH, I’m a victim!”
Doug, we personally don’t give a tinker’s damn how you live your own life personally. We do care that you lie to other people and spread misinformation, apparently around the globe, in a way that has has real life deleterious consequences.
Evan,
“we personally don’t give a tinker’ damn how you live your own life personally. We do care that you lie to other people and spread misinformation, apparently around the globe, in a way that has has real life deleterious consequences.” ( such as not informing the youth to the real potential dangers of believing that condoms are safe when you know that they are not as effective as you “Evan” state them to be?)
how can you claim to come out of someone else’ “lifestyle’, when you know nothing of how other people lead their lives? (Just an educated guess after over twenty five years of living in that lifestyle)
Sorry — I had to laugh at this paranoid (? Whats the meaning of paranoid? answer “afraid of” I feel a lot of fear coming in your replys about the right to exist for me. Are you afraid that there may be a chance that some one other than you might be correct once in a while? ) stupidity: (another really mature use of words for adults to use in a discussion) “let us survive without a constant battle’ Who is stopping you living your life as you see fit? No-one. You are free to live as you please. (You seem to be detrmined to stop me)
You are the people who are determined to stop “ex” (word in quotes mine) gay people existing and enjoying the same liberties as everyone else.
post #77 I seems as I read back through these 75 posts that “you” are the one claiming to be the victim of everybody that has a different opinon than yours.
By the way, Where is Wayne Beson? Perhaps he is doing some “investigating” so that he can assue me that I have equal rights to speak anywhere in the world I choose. Or is he getting the answers to those horrid rumors that are circulating about him and preparing to provide real medical evidence for the world to see?
Just a question. I”ve missed his input lately.
So Doug, how many gay people in Africa do you think are going to be killed or arrested during your next visit simply for being gay? Are you going to participate?
Nope just trying to protect the kids who get hurt because of the uneducated crap you spew.
And no, you have no knowledge of any “lifestyle” because you’re just one of those supposed “ex-gays” who’s been brainwashed to blame your own crappy life on your sexual orientation. I don’t know your personal sob story, so I don’t know the details, but let me guess: you were trying to fill some emotional hole, you got into drugs, you blah blah blah, and now you cop out by pretending it was sexual orientation and not your own poor choices.
“You are the people who are determined to stop “ex” (word in quotes mine) gay people existing and enjoying the same liberties as everyone else.”
Victim.
If you’re really “ex-gay,” then you’re straight and you have more rights than I do. Grow up, dude.
The most revealing part of all that Doug McIntyre has written here or said is on the above video at the 1:23 mark. He calls himself “the perfect liar.”
I would agree that he is and that the leopard apparently never changed his spots.
We have caught him lying from his very first post. He has not stopped since.
Mr. McIntyre, you are not the perfect liar – because everyone knows you are lying. You should seek help with this problem. While there are no “ex-gays” there are ex-liars, since it is a behavior.
One more thing Doug – please educate us about the gay bars you told me that you visit with your alleged gay friends.
#74 post. Sorry wayne, I missed that question. Again you overstate, I said If I wanted to go with a friend it would not mean either of us had to be or were SSA. Please quote me accurately if you are going to quote me. You said “I liked to” go. Thats interesting because I never have been a drinker and cannot drink because of several major operations and the medications involved in them. You wanted to know who my gay friends are. After thirty plus years working with people that desire to be free from SSA you know that we are an anonymous organization so even if I chose to reveal them to you I could not. However rest assured I, (like some people I have heard about) have no desire to have any contact with them of a sexual nature. It is unethical for a person doing my kind of work to even entertain the idea even if I had a desire. (Which I have not had for decades)
As you said in one of your posts, “you CAN stop lying . I’ve seen it done. You don’t have to be like this.” Wayne, I know it will be hard. Lying and overreaction are a form of addiction (pathological) but for the good of “truth wins out” you really need to give it a try
No I don’t fear you Mr MnIntytre. You make claims based on superstition and nonsense, and when people ask you know something to be true you play the poor, persecuted victim. It’s entertaining if anything.
I’ll ask again. Who is stopping you, as a heterosexual enjoying the same liberties as every other heterosexuals? You’re married, with kids and crandchildren. Which liberties are you and your families not able to enjoy, and who is stopping you? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, otherwise, yes, you are spouting paranoid gibberish.
I could care less about your sexual orientation or how you express yourself sexually. I do care a lot about the way you whip up hatred against gay people who want absolutely nothing to do with your superstitious drivel, and how your organization links itself to other organizations intent on denying LGBT people civil liberties. Linking with extremist cranks like PFOX, an organization that ultimately wants to see gays thrown in jail, is enough to justify a great deal of anger aimed at you.
Doug said “If you support equality why not let those of us that have successfully come out of your “lifestyle survive without a constant battle.”.
No one’s preventing you from living however you choose to Doug, stop lying. It is evil people like you who are trying to deny gays equal rights.
Doug:
How is Colin Cook? He is the founder of your organization. Please tell us about the nude massages? How about John J? Please tell us about his sordid history, Doug?
Your organization was founded in failure and sexual dysfunction. It takes someone like yourself – who denies reality and is uniquely truth challenged – to run such a failed organization with a tawdry record.
Doug said “You are the people who are determined to stop “ex” (word in quotes mine) gay people existing and enjoying the same liberties as everyone else.”.
See, now you’re lying again Doug. You can’t give a single example of us trying to stop you from existing or having the same liberties as everyone else, can you?
Doug said “Where is Wayne Beson…is he getting the answers to those horrid rumors that are circulating about him”
What shameful behavior on your part Doug. You call the rumour horrid but yet you are the one who’s spreading it. You’re not fooling anyone with that facade, you’re just a shameful evil person pathetically trying to smear those who stand against your agenda of oppression.
Wayne,
Your are right I am not the “perfect liar” anymore because of the very reasons you state it is a learned behavior as is the SSA within al of us.
Again you misquote or take out of context. In the “You Tube” clip you will hear me say that I had to become a perfect liar to survive the very things you are supposedly haveing to face yourselves. So I am sure you understand the quote in it’s proper context as you haved learned to do yourself very effectivly. However, After finding a way out of the lies I had been taught I have every good thing that I was never supposed to have according to your “once gay always” theory( and it is just a theory).
When you state “there are no ex-gays” arn’t you contradicting the very doctor that changed the DSM so many years ago and is now saying he was mistaken. He say he has met enough ex-gay people that he had to re-evaluate his position on the matter.
If there are no ex-gays how do you explain the changes in me? I was never attracted to a women until my late twenties> in fact the first girl that tried to kiss me I vomited on. However that never happened when I met and had relationships with men from my earliest years. Even my earlist dreams were not of women or girls but of men (
Something must have change me. Perhaps it was that “superstition” that Evan keeps talking about. (sorry Evan) Whatever it was, it has worked completely for decades now and I pesonally know a great many people who have had the same “superstious” experence.
Evan I think you stated it well when you said “You’re married, with kids and grandchildren. Which liberties are you and your families not able to enjoy?”
The answer to that question is I have to deal with the suspicions brought about by disseminated and erroneous information such as is found in the “untruths” propagated by sites like this one. Perhaps that is as you state “enough to justify a great deal of anger” but even if it is justified I have matured enough to at least be respectful in a discussion and open enough to enter into one with anyone that wants to learn.
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Learned behavior?!
What a moron.
Dude I knew I was gay when I was 11, just like you probably did. I didn’t “learn” it.
Of course, you’re a liar, so you’re probably going to accuse me of getting that out of some book I’ve never read.
And really dude, only you know what gives you boners. All we have is your testimony, which apparently has a long record of being false.
Priya Lynn,
Th answer to your question about anyone trying to stop me is found in the fact that without provacation Wayne tied two unrelated peices of information in the headline of this very blog together so that the reader would infer that the trip I had to Kenya led to a rise in violence (see headline at the top of this atricle) “Homosuxeals Anonymous had event in Kenya: Anti-gay persecution campaign now under way. by Wayne Beson”
I am not sure how he made that connection as my trip was in an area where no violence has happen before or since (as far as I can find out)
In the same article he states “While it remains unclear what happened at this particular HA event” (Translated He had no idea what I was doing) that could cause violence and apparently his methods of reporting are very poor at best or even entirely fabricated.
But something good has come from the fabrication. I have been invited to Uganda to give input on the legislation. I had not completely decided to go due to other commitments but now you can bet I will find a way to go. (Thanks Wayne for the inspiration)
As for “the rumor” I am not spreading as you all know about it already. All I am trying to do is find out the truth so that the rumor can be stopped if it is not true.
If I am “just a shameful evil person pathetically trying to smear those who stand against your agenda of oppression.” What do you call the actions on the people connecte with the organizations associated with Mr Beson?
If those actions are not “shameful” perhaps I need a new defination.
Actually, Doug? It’s none of your f*****g business, so it really serves no purpose for you to keep bringing it up.
Wayne, Are we back to ancient history again. Get your facts straight. Colin was Cofounder I was the other person in the organization. Colins behaviors were never part of Homosexuals Anomyous but carried out with another organization that was not directly connected with HA.
As to John J I told you last week that he had some very serious medical issues and we agreed ( I believe that since he is no longer connected with any organization we would be respectful enough to leave him alone. You apparently have chosen to disregard that request which is shameful.
I know you will deny this as it’s your usual MO but it is still shameful.
Doug, pointing out that anti-gay preaching leads to persecution of gays in no way prevents you from existing or denies you any liberties other people have. You are quite simply a liar when you say we are trying to stop you from existing or trying to deny you the liberties everyone else has. It is people like you who are trying to deny gays the right to marry the one they love and trying to deny gays the right not to be fired from their jobs or evicted from their homes for something other than their ability to be a good employee or tenant. You are an unmitigated liar.
Doug said “As for “the rumor” I am not spreading as you all know about it already. All I am trying to do is find out the truth so that the rumor can be stopped if it is not true.”.
No, you’re lying again – your spreading of this rumour is the first I’ve heard of it. Your repeated reference to this rumour is an act of spreading it, no ifs, ands or buts about it. Mr. Besen’s HIV status is irrelevant to the topic at hand and irrelevant to having justice done by stopping the oppression of gays. Your spreading of this rumour serves no purpose beyond the malice you intend. Spare us your absurd lies about wanting to stop the rumour from spreading, we’re not fools, its obvious your goal is the opposite or you wouldn’t keep bringing it up.
Personally, I’d like Mr. McIntyre to address the persistent rumours that he beats his wife and cries after sex.
Evan,
it is my business if it is a complete frabrication and affects even one young person adversly.
You state “All we have is your testimony, which apparently has a long record of being false.” This statement apparently means you have no way of knowing the reality of my testimony ( have you ever heard one of my meetings?) so this fits into the “methods put forthe in the Kirk and Maddsen book. (accuse, demean, denegrate and never give up even if you are wrong.)
No.
Again.
It’s not your f*****g business, and YOU are the one spreading the rumor.
(Shield your ears, Mike…I’m about to fly off the handle.)
WOW evan thats a mature statement!! Is it a rumor you are starting or some more of waynes sketchy investigating?
Either way I know where I can trace it to.
Evan, Go ahead and “fly” I have not seen a good childish tantram in a while!!
Oh look, the baby doesn’t like it when it’s done to him.
The baby spreads a rumour about Wayne and it’s okay.
But I do THE EXACT SAME THING and the baby doesn’t like it.
Learn to spell, btw.
Sorry guys, I have to go for a while. I’d really like to see Evan fly, but I have some real work to do.
Doug, there’s this horrid rumour going around that you beat your wife and cry after sex. Please post a video to youtube of your after sex demeanor and your wife’s features so we can put an end to this horrid rumour.