TWO Exclusive Investigative Report by John M. Becker
The date was Thursday, June 30, 2011. I turned on the television and listened half-heartedly to the commercials as I busied about doing other things. All of a sudden I heard a voice saying, “Over the past few days, NBC News has learned how Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann and her family have benefited from the very government programs she denounces.”
At the mention of Bachmann’s name I stopped what I was doing and looked up. The speaker was the Rev. Al Sharpton, who was guest hosting The Ed Show. Rev. Sharpton continued talking about the counseling clinic run by Bachmann’s husband: “As the Minnesota Independent reports, the clinic has been previously accused of engaging in reparative therapy, or treatment aimed at changing one’s sexual orientation. Dr. Marcus Bachmann denies this…”
I chuckled when Rev. Sharpton said this. He won’t be able to deny it for much longer, I thought. After all, I was watching this broadcast from a basement in Eden Prairie, Minnesota, having spent the previous eight days undercover in the Twin Cities receiving reparative therapy sessions at Marcus Bachmann’s clinic.
The organization I work for, Truth Wins Out (TWO), fights anti-LGBT religious extremism and the “ex-gay” myth. We’d been receiving questions about the Bachmann clinic and reparative therapy for months, and they only grew more intense after the June 13 GOP presidential debate in New Hampshire. Like everyone else, we were aware of the rumors and that no one had yet been able to independently verify them. TWO Executive Director Wayne Besen decided that we were going to obtain that verification: I was to go undercover to Bachmann & Associates in Lake Elmo, MN posing as someone seeking counseling for homosexuality, schedule as many appointments as I could, and document what went on during my appointments with hidden cameras.
When I called Bachmann & Associates to schedule my initial appointment, I told the receptionist who answered the phone that I was struggling with homosexuality. She referred me to Timothy Wiertzema, a counselor at the clinic, and scheduled me for a June 23 appointment.
I decided that the wisest course of action was to make my story fit as closely as possible to my own experience. Of course I’d have to embellish a bit and make a few things up, but it stood to reason that the closer the story I told was to the truth, the easier it would be for me to keep track of what I had said. After all, I was once a deeply-closeted teenage Catholic boy awakening to my own sexual orientation, terrified of what it might mean, too ashamed to tell anyone, and desperate to change it by any means necessary; although those memories are now far behind me, it was surprisingly easy to bring them back and put myself in a similar mental and emotional place. Still, I’d never done anything like this before. As the date of my departure grew nearer, my excitement and nervousness mounted. Could I pull it off? Would the cameras be well-hidden enough? Would they figure out what I was up to? What would we find? I packed my bags, made my social network profiles unsearchable, bid adieu to Michael, my husband of more than five years, and boarded a flight to Minneapolis to find out.
Preparing for my first visit was a surreal experience. I couldn’t pay by check since my checks had my name, my husband’s name, and a Vermont address. This meant I would be paying with cash and opening my wallet before each appointment, so I realized I’d have to go through my wallet and remove or hide anything that would invite suspicion. My Human Rights Campaign credit card had to go, lest anyone recognize that organization’s ubiquitous logo. I left our ACLU membership card behind as well. I also hid my out-of-state debit card and library card, and took the photo of Michael and me out of my wallet along with the copy of our marriage certificate that I always keep close. Despite the hot and humid Minnesota weather, I wore long pants to conceal a tattoo on my ankle of a pink triangle, the badge of gay prisoners in Nazi concentration camps and a symbol of the struggle for LGBT equality. At the last minute, in the parking lot, I remembered that Michael’s picture was set as the background image on my phone, so I hurriedly changed it. Finally, I took a deep breath and slipped off my wedding ring, placing it in a plastic bag inside my satchel, right next to one of the hidden cameras. My identity as a proud, openly gay, happily married LGBT rights activist was totally erased. I was ready.
The first session was introductory in nature. Wiertzema introduced himself as a licensed marriage and family therapist who enjoys working with men, adolescents, kids, and married couples. I spoke briefly about my experience and education in music, talked about my recent (fictitious) move to the Twin Cities from my home state of Wisconsin, and answered Wiertzema’s detailed questions about my personal and family medical history, significant life events, religious background, etc. When asked why I came in for counseling, I said that I had been struggling with homosexuality for a long time and tried a lot of things, up to and including suicide, to make it go away – exactly how my 16-year-old self would have responded. I said that I was upset: this struggle has lasted for so long that I started to wonder if I was doing it right and decided to seek outside help. All of my sexual experiences, from age 14 onward, had been with men. What I wanted, though, was to get rid of my homosexuality and eventually marry a woman. Wiertzema asked if I had a support system, anyone who I could talk to about this. My response was that I hadn’t spoken with anyone. We only had time to briefly touch on my first sexual experience before the session ended.
I felt strangely relieved as I walked to my car that evening. I was totally emotionally spent – inhabiting and conveying the role of a troubled, self-loathing man looking to change his sexual orientation was exhausting, and I missed Michael terribly – but at least I knew I could do it.
At the start of our second session I went straight to the point: what could I do? Would I ever be able to be completely rid of homosexuality, or merely learn to cope with and manage it? Wiertzema’s response was that it’s situational. Some people have been able to get rid of it completely over a long time period, others over a shorter time period. Still others are able to get it to “subside,” down to a “manageable” level, but it’s still there in the background. He asked me, “Are you okay with knowing that it might take awhile, and that it might not… maybe not happen at all? …Obviously, it’s not okay, in a way, but…” I said that I wanted to give it a go, that it was better to try than to not try.
Interestingly, this exchange was the only time during all of my sessions at Bachmann & Associates that Wiertzema or anyone else ever brought up the risk of this treatment failing. In later sessions he would say that he “…think[s] it’s possible to be totally free of [same-sex attraction]. For sure.” and that “It’s happened! It really has happened to people.” I was never told that every professional medical and mental health association rejects “ex-gay” therapy including the American Medical Association, American Psychological Association, American Psychiatric Association, and the American Counseling Association, or that the treatment I was seeking was totally unsupported by research. I was never informed about possible alternative treatment options such as gay-affirmative therapy. Nobody ever told me about the potential for harmful side effects like depression and suicidal thoughts. And although I was asked to sign a treatment plan outlining my problem, desired outcome, and treatment strategy, I was never given nor asked to sign any kind of informed consent document that disclosed the above information about “ex-gay” therapy. As such, I believe Bachmann & Associates to be practicing unethically, even by the standards of the American Association of Christian Counselors. This is particularly disconcerting given the fact that Marcus Bachmann’s clinic has received significant funding from the State of Minnesota and the federal government.
In the second session, Wiertzema also began what amounted to an extended fishing expedition to find a “cause” for my homosexuality, asking me if I had experienced any physical, emotional, or sexual abuse. In later sessions we would turn again and again to my first sexual experience at age 14. He also insinuated that “there’s maybe a feminine sort of tie” between my self-consciousness about my high speaking voice and my sexuality concerns and that I had somehow conditioned myself to respond sexually to male stimuli by masturbating to gay pornography. After I mentioned a (fictitious) memory of discovering a hidden stash of male pornographic images in the bedroom of a friend’s older sibling, he said that this experience “obviously… had at least a little bit of a part” in the development of my homosexuality and asked, “What if you would have saw [sic] female pornography [instead]? Maybe you would be talking to me right now about your addiction to lust.”
Despite the fact that I never once mentioned having insecurities surrounding my own masculinity, Wiertzema took it upon himself to reassure me in our fifth session that “…because you have feelings of homosexuality, [it] doesn’t mean you don’t have masculinity. I’m just gonna go ahead and say that.” I was encouraged to further develop my own sense of masculinity and my personal definition of what it meant to be a man. When I mentioned that I can objectively acknowledge a woman’s beauty without having any sexual feelings toward her whatsoever, I was told that whenever I saw an attractive woman I just needed to reinforce in my mind that she was, indeed, attractive, and that God made her this way and made me to notice her. After all, “God designed our eyes to be attracted to the woman’s body, to be attracted to everything, to be attracted to her breasts.” Further, according to Wiertzema, “We’re all heterosexuals, but we have different challenges.” Attraction to the same sex “is there, and it’s real, but at the core value, in terms of how God created us, we’re all heterosexual.”
This faulty reasoning parroted the words of Dr. Joseph Nicolosi, the co-founder of the “ex-gay” organization known as the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH): “There is no such thing as a homosexual, just heterosexuals with a homosexual problem.”
Here are a few more highlights from my therapy sessions at Bachmann & Associates:
- I was advised to find a heterosexual “accountability buddy” as I struggled to increase my attraction to women and decrease my attraction to men. I was to confide in, pray with, and be held accountable to this person.
- Bachmann & Associates sells a book written by Twin Cities minister and self-proclaimed “ex-lesbian” Janet Boynes. This book chronicles her supposed journey “out of the lesbian lifestyle.” Next to the stack of books was a prominently-displayed, typewritten note that read, “Janet is a friend. I recommend this book as she speaks to the heart of the matter and gives practical insights of truth to set people free. – Marcus Bachmann, PhD.”
- I pretended to have just told my brother that I was seeking counseling to help me deal with homosexuality. My brother’s (fictitious) response was that I should just come out, because a person can be happy and gay and still go to heaven. My therapist said that my brother “didn’t choose his words wisely.”
- I mentioned Marcus Bachmann’s by then well-publicized remarks calling gays “barbarians” who “need to be educated.” “Am I a barbarian?” I said through tears. Rather than contradict his boss’ words, Wiertzema opted to doubt the authenticity of the recording I had heard: “It sounds like… something that someone just did. It doesn’t sound accurate.”
- Several sessions after asking for information about “ex-gay”-friendly churches, programs, and support groups, Wiertzema passed along a colleague’s referral to Outpost Ministries, a Robbinsdale, MN-based “founding member ministry” of the discredited “ex-gay” group Exodus International.
- I mentioned the marriage equality ruling in New York and the possibility that some of my close gay friends might now get married. When I asked him for advice on whether or not I should attend any future same-sex weddings, he acknowledged that it was a tough and highly personal decision, but if he were in my situation he wouldn’t go – at least not without a heterosexual accountability buddy in tow. When I expressed concern for the well-being of my gay, soon-to-be-married friends’ eternal souls and asked if they could go to heaven, Wiertzema reassured me that indeed they could, “if they repent before the Lord and are right with God, later on.” When I sought clarification as to whether or not he meant they would need to turn away from homosexuality first, he responded in the affirmative.
Based on my experiences at Bachmann & Associates, there can no longer be any doubt that Marcus Bachmann’s state- and federally-funded clinic endorses and practices reparative therapy aimed at changing a gay person’s sexual orientation, despite the fact that such “therapy” is widely discredited by the scientific and medical communities. It’s time for Michele and Marcus Bachmann to stop denying, dodging, and stonewalling. They owe it to all Americans to provide a full and honest explanation for their embrace of these dangerous and fraudulent practices.










Becky, thanks for your support. I really wasn’t hurt or even offended by Shmitty’s comments. I do think it’s funny how people like Shmitty come on this site hurl around insults but then when someone insults back they start whining. Classic bully behavior.
I’m not sure what Forest was trying to say there. Michelle Bachman’s a hypocrite and Forest Smith is a bigot? That’s what I got.
Looks to me like Wiertzema’s responses were the right responses, aimed at doing what YOU FRAUDULENTLY ordered.
Jay, as somone who thinks gays should be oppressed and destroyed of course you think Wiertzema’s responses were the right ones. All the major mental health and medical associations who are actually interested in the well being of people happen to disagree with you though.
Jay, if there’s nothing wrong with what they’re doing at the Bachmann clinic why are they lying about it?
Job well done. It is important to expose these people and to stop the funding that they are receiving. Additionally, I think that an effort should be made to close down this center. What they are practicing is damaging in so many ways beyond the individual being treated. God willing, Bachmann’s days are numbered.
[...] did not take part in the discredited practice of converting heterosexuals into homosexuals. TWO’s investigation discovered incontrovertible evidence that “ex-gay” therapy did, in fact, occur at Bachmann [...]
Last I knew, God made Adam & Eve. Sex was made to be for reproducing, not for sick perverted pleasure. 2 women can’t reproduce & 2 men can’t either. Therefore, sexual relations between them are perverted!! Plain and simple.
Christina, were you home-schooled?
Christina, the story of Adam and Eve is a story about how the human race began. Very few educated people nowadays would regard it as history – unless they belong to far-out fundamentalist sects – but it makes no difference, for present purposes, even if you do, so let us do so for the sake of argument. Naturally it wouldn’t begin with Adam and Steve or with Alice and Eve, since a gay or lesbian relationship would not contribute to populating the world. Even if the first human couple had procreated by some kind of artificial insemination, both a male and a female would have been needed to produce the necessary sperm and ovum. How does it follow from this that ALL subsequent members of the human race should be heterosexual? The answer is that no such conclusion follows.
I take it, from your citing of a biblical story, that you believe in God. Let us assume that your belief is correct. So why did God create humanity male and female if he intended people to be homosexual? Well, perhaps he wouldn’t have if he had intended EVERYONE to be homosexual, but I’m not aware of any sane person who seriously holds such a bizarre view. If God intended the vast majority of people to be heterosexual and a minority to be homosexual – which is precisely what the situation is, whether you like it or not – what would he do? He would create humanity male and female, which, of course, is just what he has done. No-one has ever explained to me what different configuration of the sexes they would expect to find.
You say that “sex was made for reproducing.” But if that is its SOLE purpose and meaning, you are de-valuing human sexuality, reducing it to a mere means to an end. You are implying that human sexual love, which has given purpose to billions of people’s lives and has been celebrated since time immemorial in literature, poetry and song, is ultimately of no real value except as a kind of ruse on the part of God (or of nature). If you wish to hold such a bleak view, then you are perfectly free to do so, and no-one can prove you wrong. But most of us place a higher value on human sexuality, finding it far more beautiful and meaningful than that.
Cristina, that’s the last you knew? You really need to catch up on some reading.
Christina, a lot of people think the sole purpose of sex is reproduction. Such people get no joy or pleasure out of it, no feeling of closeness to another. Those people and you see sex as a barren and mechanical function. I feel sorry for people like you.
[...] such a lifestyle. He practices what he preaches in his Christian counselling business, offering a way out of homosexuality, and formerly in his home with Rep. Michele Bachman with whom he’s fostered, [...]
Michelle Bachman and her husband are as dangerous in their practices as the Nazi’s were not long ago in Germany. Not only do they clearly lack in the area of humanity, but there is hard evidence that they do not have the moral character to practice what they preach in reguards to the financial platform this loony tune is running for President on.
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[...] this: Bachmann is asked about marriage equality or the “reparative therapy” clinics run by her husband that attempt to magically transform gay people into straight, she ignores the question and when [...]
[...] like this: Bachmann is asked about marriage equality or the “reparative therapy” clinics run by her husband that attempt to magically transform gay people into straight, she ignores the question and when [...]
[...] therapy “at the patient’s discretion.” This statement also contradicts video evidence from an undercover investigation that shows employees of the clinic clearly encouraging the widely-discredited [...]
[...] a “mental health” clinic that takes Medicaid money – possibly to supplement their dangerous “ex-gay reparative therapy” – while the wife of the head “therapist” runs for President on a platform that [...]
Simply Amazing.. How GAYS try and Convince Themselves of their Lifestyle Decision.. Just read the Above… No legs to stand on..
I wish I could be as brave as you! I can’t believe those frauds are receiving federal funding! Thank you for this article.
[...] Reporters questioned TWO about rumors that the Bachmanns’ clinic was practicing so-called “ex-gay reparative therapy.” When Michelle Goldberg of the Daily Beast contacted us, we decided to dig deeper. Wayne came up with the idea of going undercover but was too well known to do it himself, so I was asked. The goal was to document with 100 percent certainty whether Bachmann & Associates practiced “ex-gay therapy.” Information about the sting was kept quiet until it hit the national media. My account of the experience can be found here. [...]
[...] The goal was to document with 100 percent certainty whether Bachmann & Associates practiced “ex-gay therapy.” Information about the sting was kept quiet until it hit the national media. My account of the experience can be found at: http://www.truthwinsout.org/pressreleases/2011/07/17519/ [...]
This “hit job” is so lame that even must homos dont buy it they just pretend they do. Every homo that is cured is a slap in the face to the “born this way” baloney and you know it.
While we’re on the subject of baloney, I never saw you post or link any evidence of anyone being cured. However there are actual reports of people coming out of those toxic pseudo-clinics with actual mental damage, even driven to suicide.
But do keep thinking that we’re over here quaking in our boots over crackpot methods of attempting to change people’s sexuality. It’ll make your tantrum that much more entertaining when the GLBT community acquires full human rights, those rights that inhuman creatures such as yourself tried to deny them.
Pete, the “exgay” industry has never “cured” any gay, they merely set such people to war with who they are.
@ Pete #374:
“Every homo that is cured is a slap in the face to the “born this way” baloney and you know it.”
Whether or not people are born gay, or born straight for that matter, is an entirely separate question and one to which we still don’t know the answer.
Whatever, homosexuality doesn’t need curing, since it’s not a disease or defect any more than heterosexuality is. “Therapies” that purport to “cure” homosexuality are useless; that’s the good news. The bad news is that they are not infrequently harmful.
Pete, where are all these “ex-gay” people who are “slaps in the faces”? I am only aware of a few who all seem to work for the ex-gay industry and are pretty sketchy themselves.
Pete is just a plan from Exodus. Ignore it.
*plant
health clinic…
Whenever I tried to health clinic, I failed. Your article gave me faith that I can do it….
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[...] in no-show fees from two “pray away the gay” appointments I missed after going through five such sessions with a therapist at his clinic back in [...]
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[...] first day of Christmas my true love gave to me, one wild-eyed Iowa straw poll winner. From the “pray the gay away” clinic Michele Bachmann runs with her extremely masculine husband Marcus, to her gaffes-a-plenty [...]
Keep in mind here you are the dishonest one so anything you supposedly “learned” here is invalid and suspect. As you lied to the people in the clinic so how do we not know you lied about the whole experience. You invalidate yourself, especially since you state you are an “avowed homosexual activist”. So,the entire story is unreliable and invalid. However, there is something you should consider:homosexuality is a behavior not a race,and whether you like it or not, there is , and always will be a moral question associated with the behavior. No matter if you think it moral or immoral there is a moral question associated with it. We cannot therefore declare any form of behavioral group as a true “minority” since ,for characteristics such as race, creed, etc. there is no moral question. In addition, whether you believe it or not, behaviors can change, and true minority status is something that cannot change. Also if we begin to classify any sexual behavioral group as a class of people or a minority group then which group is next 25 years down the road? Will we be declaring pedophiles as a minority, BDSM practtitioners, other so called “orientations”? I think you guys should stop hijacking the civil rights movement and realize you are NOT a minority or even a class of people so all the semantics about “hatred”, gay bashing, discrimination, and all that is invalid in relation to anyone trying to reach that status based on sexual behavior alone. You just need to accept the fact that , even if you are born with a certain tendency that doesn’t make it okay. As a heterosexual male I was born with a natural tendency to have sex with multiple women. Does that make it okay? No. So, the “I was born that way” argument doesn’t hold water or make anything okay from a moral standpoint. I am sure that any intelligent person will see this stunt as utterly ridiculous and invalid. Too bad you missed a chance to really find help as well. In addition I feel anyone who criticizes someone, or calls them a a”hater” based on the fact that they have a religious faith is a basher of the utmost.
Sorry Greg, you lose.
1) undercover reporting is a time honored way of showing corruption, and in this case, discredited medical practice. YES, discredited. Go ask anyone not on the freaky fringe of the medical/psychological community
2) you mentioned race and creed…people change creed ALL the time. I know a lot of former of Christians who are now Muslims, and former Jews who are Christians. I have NEVER met a former gay man or former lesbian. I have met a few sad lonely people who are tyring to live sexless lives (usually failing) who have my pity, but I have never met an “ex gay”. As so many former spokespersons for “ex gay” “ministries” have pointed out when they leave the brainwashing farm, it never works
3) The Secretary of State just put the most vicious, backward and uneducated nations on the planet on notice that, oh yes, gay rights IS a civil rights issue. You may not like reality, but, reality is what it is.
4) why are you so sure that having sex with multiple women is not ok, if you want to, they want to, and no one is hurt? Now, if you WANT to follow a moral code/faith that says it is not ok, great. I would actually agree with you. But you dont get to set a blanket statement for everyone. Not in American. Not in any free country. Not anymore. Never again.
5) Intelligent people saw this “stunt” as you call it, as one of the things that dirailed his dingbat wife in her quest for a nomination, and put him on notice that his discredited medical practices are out of line.
6) Hatred based on ones religious convictions is called….hatred. Osama Bin Ladin hated gay people because we are gay. It was HATRED, based on his RELIGIOUS views. EXACTLY like YOUR hatred of us is based on YOUR religious views. You are, thus, a hater.
7) you sound like you might belong to one of the inferior and less educated denominations of Christianity. You need to raise your standards. Look for a Evangelical Lutheran, Presbyterian, Episcopal, United Church of Christ, or other open and welcoming congregation of one of the centuries old denominaitons with the best scholarship and understanding of the Bible.
Your life, and your morality, and your status as a decent human being will be greatly improved by doing so.
Good luck to you Greg Moore.
Oh, and by the way, the days when people like you get to lecture to us and not get put firmly in your place for doing so…LONG, LONG over.
Bye!
:)
You know, it’s interesting that ‘religious’ folks responding to this story go on and on and ON about ‘morality’ while willfully ignoring Marcus Bachmann’s lack of said ‘morality’ in pushing a discredited and dangerous junk science FOR MONEY, while denying he did any such thing.
Wow Gene, Well done!
Thank you Daniel. I stopped taking s**t from badly educated bigots some time ago. The thing they hate worst…that even scares them, is when you just stair em’ down, lay out the facts, and point out that THEY, not US, are the ones who need a moral/historical/religious/ethical talking to, and if they dont believe me, go write what they write here on the buliten board at work and see not only what HR has to say, but just sit and wonder why decent people with GLBT loved ones and friends don’t want to let them sit with them at lunch anymore.
But mainly, one point out that they have just devolved into a bunch of…WHINERS! “Wha, wha, wha…I’m being called a bigot because I am acting like a bigot but thats ok because my flawed version of religion/world view says I can be bigoted so you can’t call me that! :( Whiiiinnnneeee”
One thing about the homophobic right wing…they have become the one thing I had not expected…whiny, victim playing, losers.
If I did not loath them so much, I could feel sorry for them….almost