(Weekly Column)
Cynthia Nixon, who played the role of Miranda Hobbes on HBO’s Sex in the City, told the New York Times that she chose to be gay. Her statement was clumsy, irresponsible, inaccurate, and lent itself to exploitation by anti-gay activists. While Nixon’s coy semantic games and flippant proclamations may play well in certain circles, they will surely be used as a brutal club against LGBT youth in Red State America.
In the coming years, Nixon’s “choice” statement will be spewed from pulpits, scrawled in homophobic fundraising letters, and regurgitated on talk radio as proof that lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people can “pray away the gay.” As a result, there will well-meaning parents who place their LGBT teenagers in “ex-gay” programs believing that since Nixon chose to be gay their child’s homosexuality might just be a phase.
The American Psychiatric Association says that attempts to change sexual orientation can sometimes lead to “anxiety, depression, and self-destructive behavior” which includes suicide. As the founder of Truth Wins Out, an organization that monitors such programs and assists its victims, it will be us, not Nixon, who picks up the pieces of lives shattered by the myth that sexual orientation is a casual choice. Given the potential for dire consequences, Nixon was reckless, indulgent, and smacked of someone too privileged to understand the real world ramifications of her careless words.
Anti-gay organizations, such as the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality, already try to portray homosexuality as a transitory condition by telling potential clients that their discredited therapy will help people explore their “heterosexual potential.”
Some people have foolishly said that no one will pay attention to her statement because she is just an actress. However, they conveniently forget that we elected an actor, Ronald Reagan, to serve as president, Arnold Schwarzenegger was chosen as California’s governor, and Minnesota elected professional wrestler Jesse Ventura as that state’s governor. For better or worse, what celebrities say in America matters – and even politicians must become photogenic media stars – such as Sarah Palin or Barack Obama — before anybody cares about their policies.
Most importantly, Nixon never chose to be gay, but is clearly bisexual. In an interview with The Daily Beast she said, “I don’t pull out the ‘bisexual’ word because nobody likes the bisexuals….everybody likes to dump on the bisexuals… But I do completely feel that when I was in relationships with men, I was in love and in lust with those men. And then I met Christine and I fell in love and lust with her.”
No one would have a problem if Nixon had simply said that she is a bisexual who is not enamored with that particular label. Few would care if Nixon said that sexuality exists on a continuum with some people having a more fluid sexuality. No smart person would argue that civil rights for LGBT people should rest strictly on a biological argument – even though there is a growing body of evidence pointing out that biology plays a major role in determining sexual orientation.
But the fact remains that one does not choose whom they are attracted to and fall in love with – it chooses you. Sure, people then have a choice on whether they act on these natural feelings – just as one who is ambidextrous can elect to operate with either hand. The underlying desires, however, are not something that can be changed like the latest fashion in Paris.
If you don’t want to take my word for it, consider what the leaders of “ex-gay” organizations say about the topic. Earlier this month, Exodus International President Alan Chambers told a crowd of LGBT Christians: “The majority of people that I have met, and I would say the majority meaning 99.9% of them have not experienced a change in their orientation or have gotten to a place where they could say that they could never be tempted or are not tempted in some way or experience some level of same-sex attraction.”
John Smid, the former longtime director of the “ex-gay” ministry Love in Action said last year: “Actually I’ve never met a man who experienced a change from homosexual to heterosexual.”
One must remember that people like Chambers and Smid are the most motivated in the world to find evidence of sexual conversion. Both made their livings from this idea, (Chambers continues to) and feared going to Hell. Chambers once said that, “One of the many evils this world has to offer is the sin of homosexuality. Satan, the enemy is using people to further his agenda to destroy the Kingdom of God and as many souls as he can.”
When the public hears Nixon say that her homosexuality is a capricious choice, they think that she once found sleeping with women repulsive, but then woke up one day and decided she would do it anyway for social or political reasons. It makes it sound as if she quit men like one quits smoking cigarettes – which plays into the right wing’s false addiction analogy.
No one is questioning Nixon’s right to say whatever she wants. However, with celebrity comes great responsibility and it might be wise if Nixon articulated her feelings in a more thoughtful way that would not lead to LGBT youth stuck in Bible Belt communities ending up in “ex-gay” boot camps.










There’s another huge issue you’ve completely forgotten to address, and it is the direct cause of Ms. Nixon’s statement.
Rampant Bi-phobia in the gay and straight community. I understand why she doesn’t want to use the bi-sexual label, because it’s a pretty quick way to ensure most lesbians will not date her, or even give her the time of day.
Until the L & G communities wake up and stop treating the B & T communities like second class citizens in their own movement, things like this are going to continue happening.
Address the cause, not the symptom.
I agree with Dan McKowan, I’ve said it time and time again, the only people who have a choice are Bisexuals. They CAN and DO choose which one they wish to be with or they can choose both. How do i Know? I live with one right now, he is my partner of some 6 years, he has a physical reaction with women but chose to be with men because it was more exciting for him. I am the gay one, I have had no choice because when i tried to be with a woman absolutely nothing occurred. People need to know the difference.
Mike, let’s be clear, we can choose who we’ll be with or date, but we don’t choose who we’re attracted to.
Good article. Also see the post at glbtq.com on the Cynthia Nixon story: http://www.glbtq.com/blogs/born_this_way.html
I can’t really get upset with her. I think her statement was probably not the best politics, but I really doubt she’s going to be held up as the reason gay people shouldn’t have civil rights–I doubt that there are that many religious organizations that will be able to get a lot of mileage off of one bisexual actress whose career is not primarily on stage. I certainly don’t think we should be attacking her.
Becky:
Who is “attacking” her? This is news and I have an opinion on the negative impact her comments will surely have. The notion that this an “attack” is unfounded. If Nixon can’t take the heat as a public figure she should stop doing interviews.
Go look at the anti-bi vitriol on the original Joe My God article. You’ll see that bi-phobia still runs rampant in the gay community. Many of us avoid the B word like the plague because we simply can’t handle being hated by both the gay and straight community.
Wayne, this is a learning moment for you as a gay man. If you’ve ever said you won’t date a bisexual, or sit back and given someone a pass for the same comment, you’re just as guilty as Ms. Nixon.
Bisexual here (well, I identify as queer, attracted to all sexes, genders, and combinations, generally ignorant of the body parts themselves, but no one cares about how I actually feel, just that I’m attracted to boys and girls). I don’t know Ms. Nixon, but I can definitely agree that “bisexual” is a terrible label to have to deal with. The gay community AND straight people, reads it as “confused”, “fake”, or “impure”. Confused and actually just really gay or straight, fake and just trying to be cool, or impure, and the impurity will make them a perverted sex freak who is guaranteed to cheat on and who knows what sex it will be??? In my experience, the gay community is worse than the straight community about this, MORE judgmental, MORE hostile, MORE likely to have bi-phobic hang ups about going out with you.
Typically, gay people mostly look on us with disgust and fear, and straight people treat us like a novelty (“YEAH I scored a date with a BISEXUAL”), or make ridiculous comments about how at least we aren’t completely gay. Bisexual guys get more hostility from all sides, gay people trying to change them or just get them to say they are gay, and straight people fearing them and treating them like lepers more than they even do gay people (because they can infect polite straight society with their gayness). Bisexual girls are dehumanized and treated with so much distrust it’s unreal. When we claim to be bisexual, we are assumed to be lying or not know what we’re talking about. Either way, there is no way we know ourselves better than the omnipotent gay and straight gods, who totally know us better than we do and are happy to “help” by telling us what we really are.
For the record, I’ve been through “ex-gay” therapy, because I didn’t know the word bisexual, and I thought I was a lesbian and the therapy was working, and making me also like guys while still liking girls, or something. My ex-fiance, a lesbian, helped me come out bisexual when we broke up, and I’ve been pulled in two directions ever since by the gay community and by straight people. Not to mention the people who think bisexual people can not be monogamous, or that they have to be poly in a certain way. This is what happens when you have all these black and white labels and don’t actually get to know anyone.
Personally, I’ve taken to spending most of my time with transgender people. They get it too, a lot of the same stuff sometimes. MTFs are vilified, FTMs are not taken seriously, at least until transition hits a certain point.
Know what??? I think I’m going to start a blog about all this.
OH YEAH….Nixon. I don’t know, maybe she’s bisexual, and scared of gay and straight people not taking her seriously, or trying to change her. Maybe she’s lesbian and bought into the lies from people who think they know her feelings better than she does (that she “chose” this, like all the gay people who claim they “chose” to be straight). Maybe she’s straight and actually did “choose” to identify and act like a gay person (by dating and sleeping with girls). Maybe she misspoke. Maybe she really doesn’t get this stuff, maybe she doesn’t have a connection with her sexual feelings as a young woman, that might give her the feeling that she changed, rather than came to terms.
I say give her a little slack though. I’m sure she isn’t trying to hurt anyone. Hold her accountable, but we’ve all said stupid things, and the changing sexuality thing is going away. The “fluiditiy” of female sexuality lie is dying, but it’s dying slowly. We have to remember not to perpetuate it all by making people afraid to come to us to learn, and by remaining ignorant about the lives of others.
Stop lying lower-case wayne. No one has ever chosen to be gay, and being believed by “millions of people” won’t change that any more than popular support made the holocaust okay.
Dan said:
“Wayne, this is a learning moment for you as a gay man. If you’ve ever said you won’t date a bisexual, or sit back and given someone a pass for the same comment, you’re just as guilty as Ms. Nixon.”
I have to disagree with you strongly, Dan. Just because a gay man, lesbian or straight man or woman won’t date a bisexual doesn’t mean they can’t accept them for who they are, work for their civil rights and respect them on their life’s journey. I would not date bisexual men because, though there might be physical attraction I would never feel that the emotional reciprocity was equal: irrespective of the individual, I imagine I would always feel vulnerable to abandonment. I’m not blaming bisexual men for MY issue; its not THEIR fault. I just wouldn’t want to put energy into something I inherently doubted I/we could pull off. I think a lot of gay men, lesbians and straight men & women feel the same way. Its not that bisexually oriented people are bad, its just that is not our experience and many of us wouldn’t want to go through the anguish of attempting a relationship we fear won’t work out. I do think it is important be as kind and compassionate as I can if I need to make my “deal breakers” publicly known. Its not anyone’s fault that they don’t fit into my erotic/ emotional template.
Paul, while its true a bisexual man might leave you for someone else, the same is just as true of any gay man. Bisexuality isn’t going to be a factor in whether or not a man leaves you, personal attraction will.
Paul, you prove my point. Gay men and Lesbians won’t date bisexuals, and often they’re not as nice about it as you are.
I’ve been called confused, told I’m just a s**t, told I’m gay, told I’m straight…. I’ve heard a million different b******t theories from people who don’t understand.
The simple truth of the matter, is that I’m attracted to personality, not body parts.
I’m happily married, to another bisexual, because the reality is, that’s the only chance we have when we’re ostracized from both gay and straight society.
I’m not going to generalize for the entire bisexual community, but I know my life would be easier if I could simply turn my bisexuality off. I honestly wish I wasn’t, because I get nothing but disdain from both sides of the fence.
Like Lofn, I’ve actually found more support from the FTM and MTF community then from the gays. They get the marginalization we experience, and I’d even hazard to say they feel it more profoundly then we do.
In the interest of full disclosure, I tried to transition, lived 2 years as a woman, and discovered I was intersex in the process (I have a 47XXY genetic pattern). What I discovered in those 2 years was that I don’t really view myself as male or female. When you don’t view yourself as one or the other, terms like hetero, homo or bisexual have absolutely no meaning.
I have to say that it irks me that she would say she “chose” to be gay. However, I am of the mind that she meant she is bisexual, but due to stigmas associated with that label, chose to use the term lesbian to describe herself. Frankly, I think homo-flexible might be a good fit. (It’s a joke, so nobody get moody.)
Now, as far as being a lesbian and the bi debate, I have (had?) strong opinions on this. In my personal experience, bi women always left for or cheated with men. This is not to say it always happens, but it did sour me a bit to the option. I was always kind about my “deal breakers” as well, but also tried to explain it was my insecurities. Now, that being said, I am in a monogomous relationship of nearly 3 years now with my partner who identifies as bisexual. Even openly admits she was more attracted to men than women. But, I love her and trust her. It was kind of hard at first, but it helps that she is older, thus is more likely to know what she wants. She was married once before, and had long-term relationships with both genders.
Bisexuality is real, it is genuine and does not make you more likely to be u faithful, but the “liquor lesbians” and attention seekers that have cropped up in the new millenium give them bad names, and give those of us who are insecure to begin with just a little bit of pause.
I’m a bisexual man, and I can attest to the fact that it’s as bad for us as all the other bi people here are saying.
If you come out as bi, usually straight women think, “He’s gay but doesn’t want to admit it,” straight women think “Ew!”, tag you as “gay”, and want nothing to do with you in any way involving intimacy, and gay people think you’re trying to distance yourself from them because you’re a messed up closet case. Usually. Who needs that kind of grief?
What’s sad, sick and pathetic is that a significant portion of those straight people and a large portion of the gay ones are themselves bisexual to some degree.
The first “straight women” in my previous post should read “straight men”.
The only part of bisexuality I have a problem with are those, mostly men, who marry straight women, keep their other orientation quiet and cheat on their spouses. That’s not to say that straight, gay men and women don’t cheat, but being married is quite another issue. Entering a marriage knowing full well you’re not being honest with your partner as to who you really are is asking for trouble. That said, I fully support bisexual people. I’ve dated two very nice bisexual men in my life, but unfortunately, nothing materialized in terms of a long-term relationship. Can any bisexual tell me why is it that some of you don’t like kissing someone of the same gender, yet will engage in sexual activity with them? This was a problem with one of the men I dated. He thought kissing was only reserved for women, of course, the relationship ended promptly.
Dan,
Thank you for sharing about yourself!
My point about the frequency of gay men commonly not wanting to date bisexual men is because for many of us, the fear factor of abandonment is very real. I’ve known several gay men who were alive in the 1930′s, 40′s and 50′s and I have heard personal stories from those times how men left their partners to get married to women, simply because gay male relationships were so hard to maintain in the closet. I think that historical experience is probably at the root of the skepticism among many gay men towards getting involved with a bisexual man, at least for those of us who are older. The ability for gay and lesbian couples to be openly in relationship is really just one generation old, and that only in urban or highly educated areas at that. Whether it is true that a bisexual partner would be more likely to leave me than my current gay husband would is hypothetical and unknowable, but my PERCEPTION and fear, based on my life experience, is yes, so I would be very unlikely to date a bisexual man (with the intention of hoping for a lifelong commitment). This is not because a self-identified bisexual man isn’t a good human being! It’s just outside of my emotional template (though not outside of my physical one). I wouldn’t want to spend the energy wrestling with my doubts and fears when there are so many potential gay male partners out there with whom that wouldn’t be an issue between us. I’m speaking for myself Dan, not all gay men. But it wouldn’t surprise me if others felt the same way. It also wouldn’t surprise me if a younger generation might not carry this baggage and be more open than I am. It certainly appears that young lesbians and gay men are healthier than we were, coming out in the ’70′s, and this might very well change the dynamic so frustrating for bisexual men and women.
Dan, MANY gay men (of my generation) as they were coming out identified as bisexual initially because it was less difficult for our straight peers & parents to hear than that we were gay. I did so myself for about 6 months back in 1973. Because so many of us did that, we probably assume (wrongly) that men who identify as bisexual today are in transition like we were. Like I said earlier, the ability to come out at younger ages may enable gay & bisexual kids to come out as who they really are in the beginning and change the whole dynamic.
Sorry to be so long-winded!
Pax
(@11)Priya wrote:
Paul, while its true a bisexual man might leave you for someone else, the same is just as true of any gay man. Bisexuality isn’t going to be a factor in whether or not a man leaves you, personal attraction will.
Priya, yes that may be technically true, but it doesn’t matter that statistically bisexual men might be just as committed to me as gay men might be. I know myself and know that I am going to be emotionally less trusting and more fearful of abandonment if I am involved with someone who (whether they would or not) I fear might leave me for someone of the opposite gender. It is probably rooted in growing up thinking I was the only gay boy (though I didn’t have that language as an adolescent) in the whole, straight world and there were no others like me. For whatever reason, it is now outside my emotional template to become involved with someone who I PERCEIVE might abandon me. Once again my issue, not the fault of bisexual men. For some reason I don’t worry about it with other gay men. But maybe I do, actually now that I think about it. I also wouldn’t become involved with a man that was too gorgeous, too hot, too beautiful. Not that guys like that are knocking on my door by the way, but its sort of the same thing. My inadequacies and fear of abandonment would kick in and I just don’t need to go there. Life is too short to waste not feeling comfortable and trusting with my spouse.
Anyway, why would a bisexual guy want to get involved with someone who wasn’t very trusting of them anyway? I certainly wouldn’t: too much work.
The amount of self delusion is sad indeed.
You’ve got activists asserting all homosexuals are born that way, period.
Too bad no DNA markers for that.
You’ve got Cynthia Nixon state she “chose” the lifestyle, and she’s the target of unlimited attacks about her personage.
The moment someone states that they are ex-gay,
the attacks are relentless.
Who are you to judge someone else’ life experience?
Citizen, think…please. At least try.
Read what Nixon had to say to clarify her comment. No one chooses to be gay.
There are no ex gays…as ex-ex gays will testify to.
who are you to judge Gay people, and the correct assertion that we are born that way and this experience in our lives?
Grow up
@citizen-Even Alan Chambers has basically admitted there is no such thing as ex-gay. Just gay people who have supressed their natural urges in the name of religion. They are still gay or in the case of Nixon bi.
Tim W,
I guess it depends on what your definition of what “is” is.
Ex-drinkers, they may have desires to drink again, etc. Would you somehow claim that just because they may want to have a drink again in their lives, they should be stripped of their status of “ex-drinker”.
I don’t think so, otherwise anyone in this world who is trying to overcome whatever it is they want to overcome is by your definition disqualified.
Gene,
To your point of somehow it may be a negative thing to suppress urges.
You’re of course assuming ALL urges are worthy of not being suppressed.
Think through your daily activities, you suppress urges all day long for a variety of actions that you would like to take action on but don’t due to the consequences of those actions.
Not that often Citizen. I try to give into mine as often as I can so long as no ones else’s freedom is compromised. And sexual urges, between consenting adults, are not a bad thing in any case. IF you have some primitive moral hangups, grow up and get over them. We don’t all live in your ‘world’, and we wont be ruled by your moral imperatives, and flawed views on sexuality.
Now you know.
Oscar Wilde– I can resist anything but temptatio0n.
“You’ve got activists asserting all homosexuals are born that way, period. Too bad no DNA markers for that.”
You’ve got antuigay activists asserting that all people are born heterosexual, period. Asside from the fact that it isn’t true..
Too bnad no DNA markers for that.
So in your world, which is oh so “enlightened”,
the urges of the human experience are ALL beneficial as long as they don’t compromise others’ freedom?
Someone’s urge to drink themselves into oblivion is just fine.
We should celebrate and affirm that.
Someone’s urge to gorge food, force vomit, etc. is wonderful as well.
We should celebrate and affirm that.
Someone’s urge to gamble, to smoke, etc, etc.
the list goes on.
They all should be celebrated, affirmed and not suppressed in any way other than compromising someone else’ freedom?
Ben,
I guess you’re the final authority on that.
Congratulations
Do you have any other “expert” opinions to share?
So, “citizen” you’re comparing sexual attraction to alcohoism, bulimia, gluttony and smoking? This says so much about you.
No, I’m not the final authority on that. I’m just very well read on all kinds of subjects. Something that you are apparently not, or you would know that there is no heterosexual gene, just as there is no snarky-but-no-response gene.
However, don’t take my word for it. Listen to Dr. Francis X. Collins, evangelical Christian and (I believe) head of the NIH and former head of the Human Genome Project.
“It troubles me greatly to learn that anything I have written would cause anguish for you or others who are seeking answers to the basis of homosexuality. The words quoted by NARTH all come from the Appendix to my book “The Language of God” (pp. 260-263), but have been juxtaposed in a way that suggests a somewhat different conclusion that I intended. I would urge anyone who is concerned about the meaning to refer back to the original text.
The evidence we have at present strongly supports the proposition that there are hereditary factors in male homosexuality — the observation that an identical twin of a male homosexual has approximately a 20% likelihood of also being gay points to this conclusion, since that is 10 times the population incidence. But the fact that the answer is not 100% also suggests that other factors besides DNA must be involved. That certainly doesn’t imply, however, that those other undefined factors are inherently alterable.
Your note indicated that your real interest is in the truth. And this is about all that we really know. No one has yet identified an actual gene that contributes to the hereditary component (the reports about a gene on the X chromosome from the 1990s have not held up), but it is likely that such genes will be found in the next few years.
Becky,
You missed the entire point.
Read the prior posts.
Ben,
Its all too confusing isn’t it now with all the “experts” asserting with the utmost confidence their opinions.
We have born that way, fluid, questioning, bi, trans, etc.
It seems that gender confusion would be an accurate description.
I read ‘em citizen. I stand by my statement.
No, I’m quite clear I’m a man. No gender confusion involved.
I’m also quite clear that Dr. collins isn’t an “expert”, he is an EXPERT on this subject– without the quotes. And unless you can match his qualifications– which I am quite sure you can’t or you wouldn’t be making the idiotic statements you are making, especially about him– I would prefer to believe someone like him to someone like you.
Much as I would prefer to believe a medical doctor over an African witch doctor.
I’m also quite clear about this. You’re not the first homobigot to show up here and other anti-bigtory sites, trying to substitute ignorance, bigotry, and snarkiness for knowledge, intelligence and compassion. As they say, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, with the emphasis on a little. Unfortunately, the world is full of people just like you, and the rest of us have to deal with your spiritual darkness.
All you really have, of course, is your unwavering, unwarranted belief in your self-assigned but otherwise wholly imaginary superiority as an intellect, a moral person, and a human being. We’ve seen it before, over and over. It’s not new. It’s not even original. It’s just a waste of meat.
Your statement about “experts” only confirms this to anybody with half a brain. Your uninformed belief about sexuality being related to “gender confusion”– whatever the hell that might be– only confirms your ignorance on this subject, and your consumption of uninformed right-wing bloviation.
Dr. Collins and I disagree on the subject of religion, but he is a world-renowned authority on the subject of genetics– unlike you. His isn’t just one opinion among many, as much as you would like to believe it is. Just like evolution isn’t a theorey and a guess, it’s billions of facts that together create the most accurate description of the world of life aroundd us. I would hesitate to call what he has to say on this subject an opinion at all, but a conclusion and an observation based upon years of experience and volumes of knowledge– unlike yours.
If you wish to continue posting here, please do. But please don’t delude yourself into thinking your convincing anybody of anything except your own idiocy.
Becky,
If you read the prior posts and still don’t get the point then either there is too much emotion going on to get past or you’re trying too hard not to get the point.
But I’ll make it crystal clear,
Gene had written that it’s perfectly fine to indulge in any and all urges as long as someone’s personal freedom is not compromised.
I addressed that seemingly “enlightened” statement with the fact that not all urges are beneficial.
Ben,
Wow,
Obviously some nerve was struck.
You’ve resorted to name calling.
What’s next?
Are you going to glitter bomb me or anyone else that has a different perspective than your own?
The difference between his perspective and yours, citizen, is that his actually has facts to back it up. If sexual orientation were simply an urge that needed suppressing, then why do attempts to do so only have a 0.1% success rate?
Also, you came here on the offensive and now you have the audacity to be taken aback by any hostility you face? Not to mention you showcase your own poor impulse control by continuing to antagonize anyone who argues against your points. Hypocrisy, thy name is citizen. It is not surprising though.
Citizen, Ben is quite correct. You don’t have a leg to stand on, and the reason so many in society are comparing and treating people like you to Klansmen (aside form the fact that they, like you, are anti gay rights…look who YOU are in bed with) is because you sound/act/behave like Klansmen.
Lastly, who the f**k are you to tell me what is beneficial in MY life?
Learn your place
Gene said to Citizen, “Lastly, who the f**k are you to tell me what is beneficial in MY life?”
Gene, don’t you know that, to a compulsive busybody like Citizen, everything you do is all about making them feel contented. Everything is all about THEM. Controlling the lives of everyone else is tough exhausting work. A busybody’s work is never done. It’s no wonder they seem so miserable all the time. Just imagine the terrifying anxiety they must live with knowing that someone somewhere is having non-missionary-position sex outside of a heterosexual marriage.
Citizen– i note only that you didn’t have a word to say about what I wrote, only that you didn’t like it.
And you changed the subject. So, whatever.
It seems that the message board is all riled up.
Time to settle done fellow humans.
Ben,
at lease you have something to say, albeit your personal attacks are quite unnecessary.
Citizen said “Gene had written that it’s perfectly fine to indulge in any and all urges as long as someone’s personal freedom is not compromised.
I addressed that seemingly “enlightened” statement with the fact that not all urges are beneficial.”.
There are two problems with your “address”. If someone wants to be a drunk, a bulemic, or a smoker that is there right and as they are not harming anyone else no one has the right to tell them they can’t do so.
Secondly your attempt to equate gayness to those things is false. Those things may harm the individuals involved but gayness does not. The only thing you’ve established with your “address” is that you’re a hateful bigot seeking to harm innocent harmless people.
Well I don’t stand on either side of this issue as Im still figuring it out. People have a right to live their lives any way they want, even counter to cultural norms and to be free of hate and abuse, but in the same way people must be allowed to have their own opinions if misguided ones. Asking questions and giving contrary opinions is NOT spreading hate. There are not many facts on either side of this debate as you currently cannot prove a genetic component of sexual orientation, and 1 scientist’s opinion does not constitute fact. To say all homosexuals who ever lived didn’t choose their orientation is unprovable and very unlikely. How about we just live and let live, and keep an open mind. If someone were to scientifically prove tommorrow that homosexuality was a choice, I don’t believe it would invalidate anyone’s lifestyle. Taking extreme , narrow views on either side of this issue just stifles healthy debate and gets people all stirred up.