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Truth Wins Out Denounces Former Archbishop of Canterbury For Defending ‘Ex-Gay’ Therapy
Archbishop Must Apologize Immediately for Embracing ‘Ex-Gay’ Lies, Says TWO
Burlington, Vt. — Truth Wins Out denounced Lord Carey, former Archbishop of Canterbury, today for signing a letter in support of Lesley Pilkington, a British “Christian” psychotherapist suspended for professional malpractice after she was caught offering ex-gay therapy to an undercover journalist.
The British Association for Counselling and Psychotherapy unanimously ruled last May that Pilkington acted recklessly, disrespectfully, dogmatically and unprofessionally. The BACP suspended her accreditation and threatened to revoke it entirely if she failed to complete “extensive training and professional development.” Yesterday, Lord Carey and several other clerics issued a letter to the BACP defending Pilkington, saying that ex-gay therapy “does not produce harm.”
“Lord Carey’s defense of so-called ‘ex-gay therapy’ is simply appalling,” said Wayne Besen, Executive Director of Truth Wins Out. “The ‘pray away the gay’ lie has been denounced by every major organization of medical and mental health professionals, including the Royal College of Psychiatrists, because the truth is that it doesn’t work and actually harms people. If Carey would like to meet survivors who were gravely harmed by ‘ex-gay’ therapy we would be more than happy to arrange such a meeting.”
“Whether Lord Carey’s embrace of discredited ex-gay propaganda was intentional or simply ignorant, we are astonished by the lack of respect it shows to LGBT Anglicans,” added John Becker, TWO’s Director of Communications & Development. “The former archbishop should apologize immediately and recant his dangerous words before they cause any more LGBT people to hate or hurt themselves.”
The letter alleges that reparative therapy “does not produce harm despite the Royal College of Psychiatrists and others maintaining the contrary” and that “people who seek, freely, to resolve unwanted same-sex attractions hold the moral right to receive professional assistance.”
“This attempt to claim the moral high ground is utterly absurd,” said Becker. “None of these clerics have a shred of medical or psychiatric training, and the idea that they’re even remotely qualified to overrule scientific consensus is ridiculous on its face. Lies told in the name of God are still lies.”
“Far from being mainstream, Lord Carey’s views are extreme,” added Besen. “Instead of parroting discredited ex-gay talking points, the former archbishop should bring his outmoded beliefs into the 21st century and recognize that LGBT people are fine just the way they are.”
Truth Wins Out (TWO) is a nonprofit that fights anti-LGBT religious extremism. TWO specializes in turning information into action by organizing, advocating and fighting for LGBT equality.
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“If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people.”
House
@David Skinner
You know nothing of the history of my country Mr. Skinner. Unlike here in the U.S.A. we outlawed Nationalsozialismus otherwise known as the National Socialist German Workers Party after WWII. Fanatics of any color, religious, political or racist have no place in public discourse. They contribute nothing. As you and so many like you, have proven with so many, many words. It’s time for you to address your personal issues. You’re making a fool of yourself.
Priya, I am glad someone said it and you have. Clearly with Christianity consigned to the history books then a golden age of liberation and unlimited possibilities is being ushered in, such as the opportunity for tasting such exotic flavours as Islam. Allow me to quote:
“People are living longer, better lives than ever before, there are fewer wars than at any point in time throughout history, people have all manner of labour saving devices, conveniences and more leisure time than ever – particularly in those countries that are the least religious and most tolerant of gays. If this is your god’s judgment being poured out on us I can’t wait to get all he can dish out.”
You need to get out a bit more. The twenty first century seems to be rushing towards a kind of apocalyptic climax. Since the beginning of the twentieth we have had:
Two world wars, ( almost 80 million soldiers and civilians killed in World War 11 alone)followed by wars of some kind in some part of the Globe with the Middle East now a tinder box
The materialistic experiments of Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao Tse- tung and North Korea, in which millions were and continue to be imprisoned, tortured and murdered for having the wrong political views.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kiev_Jew_Killings_in_Ivangorod_(1942).jpg
The continuing threat of nuclear holocaust.
The disintegration and atomisation of family and community life.
The man-made genetic and biological disorders.
The wholesale murder(abortion) of 50 millions of unborn babies in the USA alone
Explosion of sexually transmitted diseases: AIDS, HIV (and now the gay generated MRSA virus)
Huge increase in sexual abuse of children.
Huge increase in use of pornography throughout society
The threat to our climate and natural environment
A society dependent on drugs.
An increasingly nihilistic, mindlessly violent, callous and lawless younger generation
The huge increase in mental and emotional disorders.
The massive loss of freedom of speech, thought and action.
The destruction of marriage, the family and children, the very atom of society.
Global economic crisis.
Global military crises.
Priya this is the closest you will get to Heaven, but for me it will be the closest I shall get to hell, for Jesus Christ will return, soon, and it will not be the limp wristed, gentle Jesus, meek and mild, but altogether something terrible and where every knee will bow, either in rage or joy. It’s your choice.
David,
People have been touting the impending end of the world and the return or Jesus H. Christ for centuries, and nothing has come of it.
“gay generated MRSA virus”?? Get your facts straight, this originated in hospitals and is a disease spread by skin contact, much like the common cold. It is not an STD.
“Huge increase in sexual abuse of children”. I think not. These children are just now beginning to find the courage to speak out, whereas before they were afraid no-one would believe them, or worse their abuser would harm them. They thought they were alone. Now thanks to the media reporting of this abuse, they know that they are not alone, and will be supported.
“The massive loss of freedom of speech, thought and action” – Really??? A few centuries ago, if I had felt ‘free’ enough to tell people I was gay, or an atheist, I would likely have been burnt at the stake (I feel you mean a ‘christian’s’ freedom to discriminate against those who are different).
“The disintegration and atomisation of family and community life” – Ever heard the phrase ‘you can choose your friends, but you cannot choose your family’? Well now people feel free to choose. I’ve known people whose parents were stupid, willfully ignorant or just downright nasty, and to be trapped in this ‘family unit’ would have been disasterous.
But that is only the unfortunate few. ALL of my straight friends have embraced family life and community wholeheartedly, and are pumping out sprogs like nobody’s business, all the while receiving support from friends, neighbours, and most significantly their families. I have certainly not witnessed this supposed societal collpse you have mentioned.
Was society better in, say, the 1950′s when people were more ‘moral’? No, society was just better at hiding the bad bits, like child abuse, marital rape, spousal abuse and the rest.
And you have still not answered my question.
What are the literal processes behind the destruction of civilisation that would be brought about by allowing gay people to have full equality?
I am truly interested to hear your answer.
Peter your filthy language alone is enough to demonstrate the dualism, delusion, double-mindedness, double –dealing, deception, dishonesty, denial, dissimulation, duplicity, defiance, disobedience, disrespect, disdain, distraction, deviance, diversion, diversity, discrimination, disruption, dysfuntion, disorder, distortion, disgrace, depravity, decadence. degeneracy, debauchery, dehumanisation, despair, death wish, damnation, destruction and domination of the gay tyrant. There is nothing gay about ending up in the genito-urinary department or suffering from bi-polar depression and internalised homophobia etc etc. The gays do not want equality but domination and if you think that the silent majority are just going to roll over with their legs in the air, you are in for nasty suprise, that is if the Muslims have not instituted Shariah and then you will really know what homophobia is.
David.
You certainly like words that begin with ‘D’, don’t you?
you said
“There is nothing gay about ending up in the genito-urinary department or suffering from bi-polar depression and internalised homophobia”
What on earth are you talking about? Are you trying to suggest that gay people will innevitably suffer from STD’s or mental illness? I definitely suffer from neither, and never have.
I personally know 2 people who suffer from bi-polar disorder. Both are straight women.
You also spat out:
“The gays do not want equality but domination”
Again, I have seen NO evidence of this. I have, however,seen plenty of evidence that this is EXACTLY what evangelical christians want. Ever heard of Dominionism?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominionism
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/08/14/dominionism-michele-bachmann-and-rick-perry-s-dangerous-religious-bond.html
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/search/node/Dominionism
If you can find 3 similar links outlining the gay intention to rule over the rest of humanity, exactly like christianity aspires to, then I might think about conceding to your assertion. I have had a look. I cannot find any.
You really think that a Western country will EVER accept and impliment Sharia law?
Pure paranoia.
Again, I see no evidence of this in the slightest. However, I see A LOT of similarities between Sharia and the kind of laws you fundagelicals would like to see implimented (outlawing homosexuality, subjugation of women, no religious freedom, etc).
You sound from some of your previous posts like you may be a fellow Brit. The only individual I know of in this country who speaks like you is Stephen Greene.
Is that you Stephen? Feeling a little powerless since the country found out you beat and raped you wife? (Since marital rape does not exist according to you guys)
Sir, you are a dinosaur, a relic from the bleak and distant past whose opinions have already been consigned to the rubbish tip.
Peter, it could well be the notorious Mr. Greene, alleged wife beater. The text matches him for hysteria and paranoia. Add his Islamophobia and I think you are onto something.
I must say this is all been very amusing but to no avail against such irrationality.
@ Paul
Tony posted above
“If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people.”
House
I feel David -Stephen Greene- Skinner is a perfect illustration of this.
And his refusal (or indeed failure) to answer my question without resorting to fire-and-brimstone rhetoric suggests that he can see I have a point, he knows he is wrong, but is so desperate to cling on to his comforting fantasy that he is willing to say anything and avoid direct questions in order to do so.
I he does not respond, I think we can safely assume that was indeed Mr. Greene, and he has slithered back to his caravan to fume.
:D
As per Tony’s comment, I agree with Albert Einstein (*not* an unreasonable man): “Science without religion is lame and religion without science is blind”. The two can be sensibly integrated (unless you’re a fundamentalist/literalist.) The liberal/progressive church that I attend has physicians, chemists, medical research scientists and the whole gamut of other professions. I defy anyone to say that I/we are not just as intelligent and educated as anyone else.
Peter Tatchell has done some good in fighting for our right to be treated just the same as everyone else, but he is a crank. He is fully entitled to his views, as we all are, but he speaks only for himself and perhaps for his group “Outrage!” (if it still exists), not for UK gays. Whatever the cause(s) of homosexuality, heterosexuality and bi-sexuality may be, Peter Tatchell possesses no superior scientific knowledge on the matter, so his beliefs are confirmation of absolutely nothing. As Dr Jack Drescher rightly said, “The truth of the matter is, we don’t know; nobody knows; and anyone who says that they do know is lying to you.”
David Skinner is a very sad case and needs to be viewed with compassion. He not only thinks that gay sex is wrong; he thinks it is so wrong that he can’t stop thinking about it. For ages he has been making a nuisance of himself by posting his perverted homophobic trash on the UK Pink News website. Recently he has taken a very hard knock, poor chap. The “Christian” hate group which calls itself Anglican Mainstream (!) – of which he is, I believe, a leading light – recently held an “ex-gay” conference in London which turned out a ludicrous and humiliating damp squib. It’s worth reading about it if you want a bloody good laugh:
http://changingattitude.org.uk/archives/5057
Is that why he has now migrated to this website?
@ Gary (NJ)
I was not sure about re-posting the quote from tony, and although I did find it amusing when I read it, it was not my intention to cause offence to the more moderate religious adherants who frequent this site.
I, as an atheist, have no issue with religious people per se, but I am irked by the medieval attitudes espoused by David (stephen greene) Skinner and his ilk.
I feel I was merely full of triumph and bluster, and it has been a rather slow work day.
Sincerest apologies for any offence caused.
The reason religious arguments are so often trotted out against GLBT people is because, aside from religion (which is the height of irrationality), there are no rational reasons to base an argument on.
I’m thinking the moderator should block David Skinner. There is no hope for dialogue or conversation with someone who is just using this site in order to masturbate his anger.
Peter Hargmier, you say that you felt you were “full of triumph and bluster;” Surely you mean all wind and trousers?
Come now let us reason. ‘Many homosexual activists recognize that the discovery of a biological marker or cause for homosexual orientation could lead to efforts to eliminate the trait, or change the orientation through genetic or hormonal treatments.
Tyler Gray addresses these issues in the current issue of Radar magazine. In “Is Your Baby Gay?,” Gray sets out a fascinating scenario. A woman is told that her unborn baby boy is gay. This woman and her husband consider themselves to be liberal and tolerant of homosexuality. But this is not about homosexuality now; it is about their baby boy.’ [Madam would you like your little boy to be gay? Oh,yes I just want!- Not] ‘The woman is then told that a hormone patch on her abdomen will “reverse the sexual orientation inscribed in his chromosomes.” The Sunday Times [London] predicts that such a patch should be available for use on humans within the decade. Will she use it?
This question stands at the intersection of so many competing interests. Feminists and political liberals have argued for decades now that a woman should have an unrestricted right to an abortion, for any cause or for no stated cause at all. How can they now complain if women decide to abort fetuses identified as homosexual? This question involves both abortion and gay rights — the perfect moral storm of our times.
Homosexual activists have claimed that sexual orientation cannot be changed. What if a hormone patch during pregnancy will do the job?
As Gray suggests:
In a culture that encourages us to customize everything from our Nikes to our venti skinny lattes, perhaps it is only a matter of time before baby-making becomes just another consumer transaction. Already have a girl? Make this one a boy! Want to impress your boho friends? Make a real statement with lesbian twins!
More to the point, Gray understands that such a development would reshape the abortion and gay-rights debates in America…. And exactly how pro-choice will liberal abortion-rights activists be when thousands of potential parents are choosing to filter homosexuality right out of the gene pool?
The development of Preimplantation Genetic Diagnosis [PDG] is one of the greatest threats to human dignity in our times. These tests are already leading to the abortion of fetuses identified as carrying unwanted genetic markers. The tests can now check for more than 1,300 different chromosomal abnormalities or patterns. With DNA analysis, the genetic factors could be identified right down to hair and eye color and other traits. The logic is all too simple. If you don’t like what you see on the PDG report . . . just abort and start over.’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1801869/posts
David said “Priya this is the closest you will get to Heaven, but for me it will be the closest I shall get to hell, for Jesus Christ will return, soon, and it will not be the limp wristed, gentle Jesus, meek and mild, but altogether something terrible and where every knee will bow, either in rage or joy. It’s your choice.”.
Neither you nor I have a choice David. We will die and that will be the end of us. The difference is that I will have made the most of my life and filled it with happiness and love and you will have wasted your life trying vainly to control others to extinguish the discomfort you have with who you are. You are correct, we are both as close to heaven and hell as we will ever get, we are nowhere near either imaginary place and will never be any closer. Your anger at the truth has allowed your actual desires to show themselves. You admit you desire a Jesus that is “something terrible” who will take revenge on those who reject your beliefs and accentuate your doubt. You’re not here out of love, you’re here out of hate and a desire to harm those who won’t accept your desire to control them for your own selfish needs.
David said “The gays do not want equality but domination and if you think that the silent majority are just going to roll over with their legs in the air, you are in for nasty suprise, that is if the Muslims have not instituted Shariah and then you will really know what homophobia is.”.
Once again, you project your wrongdoings on innocent people. It is you who seeks to deny gays the right to marry, it is you who seeks to dictate where the can or cannot work or live, it is you who seeks to dictate to them who they can or cannot love and have a relationship. Gays have never attempted to dictate such things to you. Obviously, it is you who not only seeks to deny equality to others but to dominate and utterly control them. You are the epitome of evil.
Gary said “As per Tony’s comment, I agree with Albert Einstein (*not* an unreasonable man): “Science without religion is lame and religion without science is blind”.”.
People here such quotes from Einstein and mistakenly believe he was a believer – he was not. To Einstein god was nature and the universe and religion was a reverence for the wonder we have at the world. Einstein was an atheist and if you look at his other quotes that is clear:
“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.” From a letter Einstein wrote in English, dated 24 March 1954.
“I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for their numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible; in my opinion, only His nonexistence could excuse Him.”
Albert Einstein, letter to Edgar Meyer (2 January 1915)
Just for information, David Skinner is neither Scott Lively nor Stephen Green. He is David Skinner, a retired art teacher who lives in the diocese of Salisbury (S.W. England) and who apparently thinks about little, day after day, other than gay sex and how repellent he finds the thought of it. He has long been a regular troll on the UK Pink News website, and also contributes comments to fellow anti-gay nutcase Bill Muehlenberg’s blog. Of late, he has abandoned the pointless practice of pasting long biblical passages on the Pink News blog, but he has obviously decided to give it a go on here. It presumably hasn’t occurred to him that readers who are (or were) Christians will already have read them more times than he’s had hot dinners, and that for those who aren’t Christians he might as well paste passages from Homer’s Iliad or Ovid’s Metamorphoses.
David,
What on earth are you on about?
Well done on once again totally avoiding my question.
And what exactly is your point? I do not know where you are coming from. I have never mentioned abortion, and I cannot tell if you would be for it in the case of gay foetus’ or not.
The causes of homosexuality are as yet unknown, so to assert that a ‘hormone patch’ will be availible in just 10 years is frankly ludicrous.
Anyway…
Lets try this again.
Please stipulate how gay equality will mean the ruination of western civilisation.
AND
Please provide evidence of the secret gay agenda to take over the world.
“David said “The gays do not want equality but domination and if you think that the silent majority are just going to roll over with their legs in the air, you are in for nasty suprise, that is if the Muslims have not instituted Shariah and then you will really know what homophobia is.”.
I stated before that this troll needs to stare, but this was too delicious.
David, honey, you have some real issues, and your sexualization of them gives anyone with any insight a good idea of what they are and what is truly going on snide your head. Old thorn-in-my-side has nothing on you, believe me. He was a major reviler of those he disapproved of, all the while saying that revilers weren’t going to his version of heaven. You seem to suffer from the same disease, maybe even the same thorn.
And your comments About sharia? Isn’t it just a little too sad that your version of homo-hating Christianity is not really any better than those muslimso you wish to demonize and/or deport?
Starve, not stare.
Peter said “David,
What on earth are you on about?
Well done on once again totally avoiding my question.”.
When David reads the rebuttals to his rants he sees he can’t refute them or support his irrational assertions so he ignores them and changes the subject in a pathetic attempt to preserve his ailing self-esteem.
David said “if you think that the silent majority are just going to roll over with their legs in the air, you are in for nasty suprise, that is if the Muslims have not instituted Shariah and then you will really know what homophobia is.”.
You are no longer in the majority. The majority of people in western countries support gay equality.
David brings up Muslims and sharia in an idiotic attempt to convince LGBTs to accept his abuse because the Muslims would be worse. This is not an either/or situation David, we reject the abuse of both you and the Muslims.
Poor David…
It must be hard indeed to see your arguments discarded as trash by people who know better, and live in a society where you will be treated as the bigot and zealot that you are.
There IS hope for you though.
Find a better church. A REAL one. I suspect (do tell, I am curious) that you may follow the cult of rome, or that you belong to some ‘holiness/fundy/whack job’ “church” that has the name community in it and no denominational tie on the board. That would explain a lot.
Look at the denominations with the best scholars, the best and oldest (and wises) seminaries where people have studied scripture for centuries before the mere fundamentalist “churches” were founded, in short, the denominations that ordain and welcome Gay people and our families into the life of the Church and the service of God.
The Lutherans
The Presbyterians
The United Church of Christ
The Episcopalians
And many, many congregations of the Americans Baptists, the Disciples of Christ, and other denominations.
Why would we listen to a ranting bigot (oh yes David, that is what you are, and how you will be addressed till you stop being one) when we can hear the truth from the centuries old Churches that are the mainline backbone of the Faith, and have WAY,WAY,WAY better Biblical scholarship than you do?
You are not part of the majority
You are not the represenative of Christian Thought
You are not the speaker for morality
You are not correct about Gay people and our familes and lives
You ARE doing a good job of pissing a lot of people off here, and making us more determined advocates for our cause
You ARE showing yourself and your arguments as the empty prejudice they are
You ARE sounding Shrill and panicked with the “Oh but the Muslims are worse” crap.
Talk on…you are just making a fool of yourself.
You have lost…
And you know it.
Never thought I would say this, but I’m actually starting feel sorry for David. I can only imagine that living in that much fear must be painful and exhausting.
David, you no longer cause me ire. The only emotion that you inspire in me now is pity. I can only think you are so obsessed with us, and know all those weird sexual terms (what in the world is bug-chasing?) because you cannot reconcile your deep faith with your own homosexuality, and it has driven you insane.
I suggest you go find yourself a nice gay guy, and try what you have been wanting to try your entire life. I have the distinct feeling you will REALLY enjoy it.
xxx.
Well, it sounds like it is time to move on. It has been very interesting and I am sure that this thread could go on and on – endlessly. But before I disappear over the horizon, may I will leave you with one last comment?
I believe there is distinction between a sufferer of same sex attraction who, for whatever reason, has been blighted with the condition, and homosexual philosophy or ideology.
Men and women who grapple with same sex attraction and all its pathologies deserve nothing but our compassion and human embrace- not rejection; for we all have our frailties – we are all to a certain extent wounded by past events and forces in our lives over which we had no choice or control.
But this is different to gay liberation theology and ideology, which have to be fought at every level.
Men and women with same sex attraction are being manipulated by ideologues; and when the gays have served their purposes, they will be disposed of. Once they were no longer useful in Germany Hitler got rid of them and Stalin did likewise in Bolshevik Russia. Their role and purpose is to destabilise and deconstruct the very fabric of society and the most intimate parts of family life. Some call this philosophy or religion as secularism, atheism, but essentially it is Marxism. This has nothing to do with old fashioned left or right, Republicans or Democrats, Conservatives or Labourites, for these now are both sides of the same coin – a coalition of fascist/ Marxist. It is a system of government in which dissent or real opposition has long disappeared in the West.
Linda Kimball wrote in the Herrick Report:
“Political Correctness and Multiculturalism are a modified version of Marxism formulated by the Frankfurt School. The new version is simply Marxism translated from economic terms into cultural terms. The proletariat is no longer the working class but cultural fringe elements such as man-hating females, members of the criminal element, and the ‘sexually confused,’ known in Marxist-speak as the ‘gay subspecies.’ The correct label for this modified version is Cultural Marxism. In analyzing Marxism, historian Arnold Toynbee revealed that it is a distinctly ‘religious’ secular humanist inspiration whose God is the Goddess of Historical Necessity. Marxism, states Toynbee, ‘is the apocalyptic vision of a violent revolution which is inevitable because it is the decree … of (the Goddess), and which is to invert the present roles of Proletariat and Dominant Majority … in a reversal of roles which is to carry the Chosen People … from the lowest to the highest place in the Kingdom of this World.’ (A Study of History)…… In other words, the Christian culture was to be turned upside-down and the chosen ones — the proletariat and their subculture — placed into positions of dominance. The new Kingdom was to be matrist and polymorphously perverse.”
herrickreport.com/newsovietunion.html
Watch and learn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWC_SS8DX3g&feature=related
TS Eliot (1888–1965). The American-British poet and critic wrote an important volume in 1948 entitled, Notes Towards the Definition of Culture. His thoughts are well worth recalling:
“If Christianity goes, the whole of our culture goes. Then you must start painfully again, and you cannot put on a new culture ready made. You must wait for the grass to grow to feed the sheep to give the wool out of which your new coat will be made. You must pass through many centuries of barbarism. We should not live to see the new culture, nor would our great-great-great-grandchildren: and if we did, not one of us would be happy in it.”
Being gay is not a “blighting” you cowardly prick
You are not even a big enough man to address us when we educate your ignorance.
You are truly pathetic.
@Gary and Peter,
The quote was used in the context of fanatics, radical individuals. I thought this was clear. I’m sure we can agree that not all quotes are applicable to all situations or people (common sense?). I understand the american propensity to remove statements out of context in order to point out some negative aspect, playing devil’s advocate to all language. However, I don’t see it as productive to communication and it ofttimes comes across as inflated. It could as well be my own fault, in the assumptions I make.
Tony
And thus it slopes back to the foetid swamp from whence it did emerge…
And he still did not answer my question (although I am sure he will argue that he did in that incomprehensible rant of his above).
David, I truly pity you, you frightened little man.
Maye he just finally took his meds.
Maybe Tony…but I suspect he is just a fanatic who, under the cover of the internet, thought he would take out his insecurities on some gay fook, a thing I REALLY doubt he has the balls to do in public, and was surprised, shocked and frightened when he realised we don’t just cower and accept lies/bullying and bigotry without CALLING it OUT.
He is an unmanly coward, insulting, and pedant without the intellectual chops and data to back it up.
Deep down he knows it, and you, Peter, Ben, Priya, Emma and others pointed it out.
Maybe the coward learned something. Lets hope.
And like the coward he is David hid from the argument until the very end, choosing to continue changing the subject rather than engaging any of the arguments against his bigotry.
Gene, don’t get me wrong. It was just sarcasm that was dripping off my tongue. I agree some people, especially bigoted ones, will act out on the internet that which they would never have the courage to do face to face. I give more credit to the end of the world guys that run around with signs downtown.
At this point I have little doubt that
David Skinner is a homosexual.
I just don’t think anyone can have such an extreme intensity of seething obsession with homosexuality without it being rooted in deeply personal demons.
David seems to be fairly intelligent, but sadly and unfortunately, being intelligent doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re not insane – or self-loathing, gullible, delusional, superstitious, bigoted, obsessive/compulsive, and list could go on and on.
David could easily be the poster-boy for
Gay Obsession Disorder.
Richard… see my #66.