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By: James

James — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:24:59 +0000

That’s right William. Religion is not incompatible with science, but fundamentalism is.

We had a discussion last semester in my Sociology class of whether or not religious people can also believe in science.

Yes they can. But only if the religion is not close-minded (i.e. fundamentalism). Many devout Christians consider themselves “a believer of science” but when you present to them, all the overwhelming evidence that homosexuality is not a mental illness, is not a choice, and that sexuality is an innate part of who someone is, be it homosexual OR heterosexual, then that’s when they pull the bible card and say that it’s wrong.

Fundamentalist Christians ONLY support science when it coincides with their beliefs. If it goes against their beliefs, then they say it’s wrong. When in science, you must believe evidence. Even if you do not agree with the evidence, then you cannot turn away and call it “wrong” simply because you do not want to. Open-mindedness is necessary.

By: William

William — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:50:36 +0000

Actually, Bjorn, I think it’s true to say that science as such doesn’t acknowledge, or at least take account of, God. It can’t be otherwise because belief in God isn’t, strictly speaking, scientific – which is NOT to say that it’s therefore invalid. But I fully agree with you that science and belief in God are in no way incompatible. You’ve given an excellent short list of eminent scientists of past centuries who believed in God. Here are five of my favourites from more recent times: Sir Oliver Lodge (physicist), Sir William Barrett (physicist), Camille Flammarion (astronomer), Sir Alistair Hardy (biologist) and John Polkinghorne (physicist). Flammarion, I think, would have described himself as a deist, although he was brought up as a Christian and at one time trained for the Catholic priesthood; all the others were or are Christians.

What I DON’T think is logically compatible with science is fundamentalism.

By: Bjorn

Bjorn — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 03:39:49 +0000

The fallacy in your statement that science rarely acknowledges God is outstanding. A short list, we will do 5… Issac Newton, Albert Einstein, Galileo Galilei, Alexander Flemming, Carl Linnaeus… all devout, all made huge contributions to science.

BTW tell many of my gay friends and they will give you the same story about how they prayed year after year, and begged and wished, and denied their homosexuality… and it came close to destroying them all, once they came to terms they became healthier happier people.

Gay Pride.

By: William

William — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:45:51 +0000

Yes, James, you’re so right: it is indeed wonderful how God works. My experience is very similar to yours. I prayed to God repeatedly during my teenage years to “heal” my homosexuality and to make me heterosexual (like my dad, my brothers and my mates). As I’d always been taught, however, God doesn’t always answer our prayers in the way that we expect. What he did for me was gradually to heal me of the delusion that I needed to be heterosexual, and for that I’ll always be grateful to him.

By: James

James — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:28:15 +0000

Henry, I am SO glad God is healing you of your homosexuality! You are after all, naturally heterosexual and homosexuality is unnatural for you so I’m glad God is helping you!

Just like, I prayed to God for many years trying to become heterosexual and none of it worked. The only thing that made me happy was to accept myself as a gay person. God showed me that being homosexual was who I was and he eventually helped me accept that!

Isn’t it wonderful how God works???

By: William

William — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:28:09 +0000

Yes, Henry, I believe that God does heal people. He doesn’t heal people of homosexuality, however, any more than he heals people of heterosexuality.

By: henry

henry — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 04:52:24 +0000

the only way to be healed by sexual brokenness that is associated with homosexuality is jesus christ. simply “trying hard” to become heterosexual will obviously not work, as this article states. there is hope found in christ and he is healing me and has already healed a lot of brokenness brought on by homosexuality. though unpopular and usually unacknowledged by the scientific community, god does heal people struggling with homosexuality. we can do nothing by ourselves.

By: Scott

Scott — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:55:05 +0000

Believing in ex-gay “therapy” is, in my opinion, magical thinking. Magical thinking is a sign of mental illness. It really makes one wonder who should be treating whom.