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	<title>Comments on: Truth Wins Out Challenges Embattled Ex-Gay Life Coach Alan Downing to Take Lie Detector Test After He Denies Allegations of Sexual Misconduct</title>
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		<title>By: Truth Wins Out - Here is Why People Disrespect So-Called &#8220;Ex-Gays&#8221; Like Christopher Doyle</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/pressreleases/2010/07/9970/comment-page-1/#comment-37441</link>
		<dc:creator>Truth Wins Out - Here is Why People Disrespect So-Called &#8220;Ex-Gays&#8221; Like Christopher Doyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 16:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of business decades ago.  Interestingly, for all of their bravado, &#8220;ex-gay&#8221; activists refuse to take physical tests, such as the No Lie MRI, to prove they have changed their attractions. If they want the quote marks [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of business decades ago.  Interestingly, for all of their bravado, &#8220;ex-gay&#8221; activists refuse to take physical tests, such as the No Lie MRI, to prove they have changed their attractions. If they want the quote marks [...]</p>
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		<title>By: grantdale</title>
		<link>http://www.truthwinsout.org/pressreleases/2010/07/9970/comment-page-1/#comment-24781</link>
		<dc:creator>grantdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 04:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what would help? &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/new_york/controversy_over_therapy_%27curing%27_homosexuals&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This&lt;/a&gt;. :)

I&#039;m not sure what you&#039;d test about Downing&#039;s honesty with a a lie detector or MRI, or ouija board or tea-leaves for that matter. As far as I read he hasn&#039;t actually denied the bizarre nudey pants-down goings-on in his office... merely that he didn&#039;t do it with &quot;malicious intent&quot;. Oh and Teh Gays are lying about him, or something.

Well, OK, Alan Downing. I can accept that. Ignorant and manipulative and unethical doesn&#039;t equal malicious, even if they all end up causing harm to conflicted people.

What say we all just agree you did it with &quot;sleazy intent&quot; instead?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what would help? <a href="http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/new_york/controversy_over_therapy_%27curing%27_homosexuals" rel="nofollow">This</a>. :)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you&#8217;d test about Downing&#8217;s honesty with a a lie detector or MRI, or ouija board or tea-leaves for that matter. As far as I read he hasn&#8217;t actually denied the bizarre nudey pants-down goings-on in his office&#8230; merely that he didn&#8217;t do it with &#8220;malicious intent&#8221;. Oh and Teh Gays are lying about him, or something.</p>
<p>Well, OK, Alan Downing. I can accept that. Ignorant and manipulative and unethical doesn&#8217;t equal malicious, even if they all end up causing harm to conflicted people.</p>
<p>What say we all just agree you did it with &#8220;sleazy intent&#8221; instead?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the first comment.  Get the VICTIMS to agree to a lie detector or No-Lie MRI.

This will FORCE a response from Downing and his big bag of bullshit.

Seriously, Wayne.  I think that&#039;s a good point.  These kids don&#039;t really have any reason to lie about this, it serves their lives in no way to lie, so when their tests come back showing them to be truthful, doesn&#039;t that force Downing and his &#039;organization&#039; to respond in some way???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the first comment.  Get the VICTIMS to agree to a lie detector or No-Lie MRI.</p>
<p>This will FORCE a response from Downing and his big bag of bullshit.</p>
<p>Seriously, Wayne.  I think that&#8217;s a good point.  These kids don&#8217;t really have any reason to lie about this, it serves their lives in no way to lie, so when their tests come back showing them to be truthful, doesn&#8217;t that force Downing and his &#8216;organization&#8217; to respond in some way???</p>
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		<title>By: Chris L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 20:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is obvious that so-called &quot;ex-gay&quot; therapy is false when its most enthusiastic supporters are those with a decidedly homophobic bent and a strong motivation to embrace bigotry. In this case, it&#039;s the Orthodox community, but regardless of whether it&#039;s Christian fundamentalists or Orthodox Jews, it is clear that the only people who support this type of foolishness are those who consider science to be secondary to their personal religious beliefs, whims and desires.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is obvious that so-called &#8220;ex-gay&#8221; therapy is false when its most enthusiastic supporters are those with a decidedly homophobic bent and a strong motivation to embrace bigotry. In this case, it&#8217;s the Orthodox community, but regardless of whether it&#8217;s Christian fundamentalists or Orthodox Jews, it is clear that the only people who support this type of foolishness are those who consider science to be secondary to their personal religious beliefs, whims and desires.</p>
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		<title>By: Maurice Lacunza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maurice Lacunza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 20:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Horny Meister was apparently concerned about the welfare of the two accusers. He said, &quot;...and the impact this publicity will have on them.&quot; 

That was nice. But I think he should be concerned about the publicity on him. I think this is a classic example of denial by use of tactics such as diversion. It&#039;s not about me...its about this, and that, and the poor troubled youth who will get hurt.  It&#039;s not about me. Shifting the attention from this to that was Reker&#039;s strategy, i.e., he was lifting my luggage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Horny Meister was apparently concerned about the welfare of the two accusers. He said, &#8220;&#8230;and the impact this publicity will have on them.&#8221; </p>
<p>That was nice. But I think he should be concerned about the publicity on him. I think this is a classic example of denial by use of tactics such as diversion. It&#8217;s not about me&#8230;its about this, and that, and the poor troubled youth who will get hurt.  It&#8217;s not about me. Shifting the attention from this to that was Reker&#8217;s strategy, i.e., he was lifting my luggage.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Besen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne Besen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Ben. Ex-gay programs are afraid of the sunlight because the entire industry is a fraud. It is a cesspool of suicides, depression and despair. It is full of dysfunctional quacks who practice bizarre or even dangerous techniques. 

They will not sue because they do not want the world to see the nauseating and horrifying truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Ben. Ex-gay programs are afraid of the sunlight because the entire industry is a fraud. It is a cesspool of suicides, depression and despair. It is full of dysfunctional quacks who practice bizarre or even dangerous techniques. </p>
<p>They will not sue because they do not want the world to see the nauseating and horrifying truth.</p>
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		<title>By: ben in oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben in oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve often said that lawsuits are the best way to settle so much of this. Like the Krazy Khristian Kounselor girl just lost her suit. the judge said charges of rleigous discimination were nonsense.

Get the ex-anti gay industry to sue, and then, as in the prop 8 trial, show in a ocurt of law that they have nothing on their side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve often said that lawsuits are the best way to settle so much of this. Like the Krazy Khristian Kounselor girl just lost her suit. the judge said charges of rleigous discimination were nonsense.</p>
<p>Get the ex-anti gay industry to sue, and then, as in the prop 8 trial, show in a ocurt of law that they have nothing on their side.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Besen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne Besen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John:

I beg them to sue and pray every night they will. First thing we would do is counter sue. 

That would open up their records and we would finally see the full extent of the damage they have caused. We could put these charlatans and criminals on the stand and let them defend fondle therapy and therapeutic lap dances. We would dismantle their pernicious lies.

FYI: We have several more clients who would back us up in court. In essence, we&#039;d clean their clock and likely bring down JONAH, Journey into Manhood, People Can Change, and possibly even NARTH. 

So, please ex-gays -- sue us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John:</p>
<p>I beg them to sue and pray every night they will. First thing we would do is counter sue. </p>
<p>That would open up their records and we would finally see the full extent of the damage they have caused. We could put these charlatans and criminals on the stand and let them defend fondle therapy and therapeutic lap dances. We would dismantle their pernicious lies.</p>
<p>FYI: We have several more clients who would back us up in court. In essence, we&#8217;d clean their clock and likely bring down JONAH, Journey into Manhood, People Can Change, and possibly even NARTH. </p>
<p>So, please ex-gays &#8212; sue us.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given the damage to his reputation by these accusations, he would sue, if the allegations were false.  He has done no such thing.  He hasn&#039;t even implied it.

Two people have complained.  That means that there are probably exponentially more people out there who had the same things done to them.  He knows that if he sued, others would come out of the woodwork saying, &quot;But he did the same thing to me!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the damage to his reputation by these accusations, he would sue, if the allegations were false.  He has done no such thing.  He hasn&#8217;t even implied it.</p>
<p>Two people have complained.  That means that there are probably exponentially more people out there who had the same things done to them.  He knows that if he sued, others would come out of the woodwork saying, &#8220;But he did the same thing to me!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: MHill</title>
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		<dc:creator>MHill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I suggest that TWO FIRST PROVIDE LIE DETECTOR TESTS FOR HIS ACCUSERS?

Seems this would further force his hand to face the charges with their successfully completed tests, no?

I&#039;m just saying; seems obvious tact here to route him out.

MHill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I suggest that TWO FIRST PROVIDE LIE DETECTOR TESTS FOR HIS ACCUSERS?</p>
<p>Seems this would further force his hand to face the charges with their successfully completed tests, no?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just saying; seems obvious tact here to route him out.</p>
<p>MHill</p>
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