FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Wayne Besen, Founding Executive Director
E-mail: wbesen@truthwinsout.org
TWO’s Investigation Contradicts Bachmann’s Denials That His Clinic Practices ‘Ex-Gay’ Therapy
MINNEAPOLIS – An investigation by Truth Wins Out revealed today that the clinic of Marcus Bachmann, the husband of presidential candidate Michele Bachmann (R-MN), practices reparative therapy, a controversial and discredited clinical method designed to “cure” gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people. TWO’s findings contradict claims by Mr. Bachmann that he and his clinic, Bachmann & Associates, do not participate in reparative therapy. The story broke today in The Nation magazine where Mariah Blake reported on the results of our investigation.
“The results of our investigation should end all doubt whether Marcus Bachmann’s clinic endorses and practices reparative therapy aimed at changing a gay person’s sexual orientation,” said Truth Wins Out’s Executive Director Wayne Besen. “The facts plainly show that Bachmann’s clinic does try to cure gay people and he is being evasive when he claims otherwise.”
“It’s time for Michele and Marcus Bachmann to stop denying, dodging, and stonewalling,” added Truth Wins Out’s Communications and Development Director John Becker. “They owe it to all Americans to provide a full and honest explanation for their embrace of these dangerous and fraudulent practices.”
During a weeklong Truth Wins Out undercover investigation inside Bachmann & Associates with hidden cameras, Becker attended five private sessions with Bachmann & Associates counselor Timothy Wiertzema.
The undeniable goal of the sessions was transforming Becker from homosexual to heterosexual. To his credit, the counselor did not claim that change would be instantaneous or even complete. However, he did explicitly promise that sexual conversion could occur as a result of prayer and therapy at the clinic.
During one of the sessions Wiertzema said, “…It’s possible to be totally free of [same-sex attraction]. For sure.” And that, “It’s happened! It really has happened to people.” In the fifth session, Wiertzema said, “…Obviously your goal is not to have any feelings of attraction for men…And I really am going to recommend that we start working on how you can develop your attraction towards women.”
At no time during the therapy was homosexuality portrayed as a natural variation of human sexuality. Instead it was presented as a treatable condition at odds with a normal and healthy sexual orientation. Becker was told by Wiertzema that “God designed our eyes to be attracted to the woman’s body, to be attracted to everything, to be attracted to her breasts.” Furthermore, according to Timothy, “We’re all heterosexuals, but we have different challenges.” Attraction to the same sex “is there, and it’s real, but at the core value, in terms of how God created us, we’re all heterosexual.”
Becker was never given nor asked to sign any kind of informed consent document that disclosed the dangers of or alternatives to “ex-gay” therapy. As such, TWO believes Bachmann & Associates to be practicing unethically, even by the standards of the American Association of Christian Counselors. Such therapy is considered ineffective and potentially harmful by The American Psychological Association, The American Medical Association, The American Academy of Pediatrics, and The American Psychiatric Association.
“What I found was particularly disconcerting given the fact that Marcus Bachmann’s clinic has received significant funding from the State of Minnesota and the federal government,” said Becker.
For sale inside the clinic was Minnesota “ex-gay” minister Janet Boynes’ book Called Out. It was accompanied by a typewritten note featuring Mr. Bachmann’s endorsement: “Janet is a friend. I recommend this book as she speaks to the heart of the matter and gives practical insights of truth to set people free. – Marcus Bachmann, PhD.”
“It appears that the Bachmann family is trying to distance themselves from some of their more extreme beliefs in an attempt to appeal to mainstream Americans,” said TWO’s Besen. “We think it is important that voters have accurate information and we hope our investigation sheds some light on their genuine views.”
Truth Wins Out is a non-profit organization that fights anti-LGBT religious extremism. TWO specializes in turning information into action by organizing, advocating and fighting for LGBT equality.
- 30 -
No tags for this post.128 Comments »
RSS feed for comments on this post. TrackBack URL
This is what I’m talking about…it’s much more important and useful to expose Marcus Bachmann’s repugnant and harmful “therapy practices”.
Comment by Alonzo — July 8, 2011 @ 8:17 pm
Is there any way to read Mariah Blake’s article without a subscription to The Nation? I trust the summary here, would just like to read her report.
Comment by Brian — July 8, 2011 @ 8:18 pm
too bad Bachmann couldn’t make *himself* a success case.
Comment by Emily K — July 8, 2011 @ 8:32 pm
Superb work! I believe this is only the tip of the iceberg. Bachmann and even Exodus are now spinning this weird double-talk that they love gays and would never try to get them to change. THAT IS A 100% LIE!. There is not a single gay person under Marcus Bachmann’s care (or his associates) whom they are telling “Yes, how can we help you create a more loving and dynamic relationship with your gay partner” etc. Is Marcus Bachmann counseling gay married couples to strengthen their relationship? Is he counseling gay youth or gay college students on how to rise above discrimination and be proud of who they are? Give me a break!! He is doing NONE of this and is totally lying to the media.
Comment by Lee — July 8, 2011 @ 8:47 pm
BTW, many in the media keep referring to Marcus as “Dr. Bachmann”, but didn’t he obtain his PhD from an unaccredited online ‘college’?
Comment by Lee — July 8, 2011 @ 8:50 pm
Too bad he hasn’t found a cure for STUPID!
Comment by mrmdleather — July 8, 2011 @ 9:06 pm
His doctoral degree is from a regionally accredited university, so his degree is legit. However, the doctoral program is not, and never has been, accredited by the American Psychological Association, which is considered the “gold standard” for doctoral programs in psychology. Nonetheless, he is, legitimatly, entitled to the title of doctor. Without the program being endorsed by the APA, it is harder to get licensed as a psychologist. Which may be one reason why he (apparently) lacks a license. His university has applied for the APA accreditation. I wonder how they feel about their graduate now and if this scandal will impact thier application?
Comment by Cotton Hill — July 8, 2011 @ 9:36 pm
Excellent work, Wayne. A good follow up would be to contact the university he earned his doctoral degree from and ask if they endorse the work of their alumni Mr Bachmann, do they condone it or condemn it? As they are applying to be accredited by the APA, they have a reason to denounce him, as the APA frowns upon this discredited therapy. You could also contact the APA for comment on his lack of informed consent and if he is a member, as they could consider reviewing his membership if he is, as well as condemning him for practicing a harmful practice without an informed consent. Just an idea. Again, excellent work.
Comment by Cotton Hill — July 8, 2011 @ 9:50 pm
When I was young and seriously conflicted about my “homosexual tendencies” (and praying constantly to be freed from them), I remember episodes of walking the streets in Chicago, singing the then-popular song, “I’m a girl-watcher.” Trying to convince myself that I was not gay, and that I found women’s bodies attractive.
Such wishful thinking. These walks often ended up with me in the “all-male” theater.
So much for the therapist comment, “God designed our eyes to be attracted to the woman’s body, to be attracted to everything, to be attracted to her breasts.” Been there. Done that. Doesn’t work.
Comment by Qwerty — July 8, 2011 @ 10:08 pm
Wayne,
So was this timing planned? Did you give any thought to waiting until after the Republican candidate was chosen? If it was Bachmann, this story would have really helped the Democrat nominee. Although that would be playing Russian roulette, I suppose, to let Bachmann get that far in the process.
Comment by Jack — July 8, 2011 @ 10:27 pm
John and Wayne,
I’m curious to know if Tim Wiertzemer was gay or straight. And are most of these “ex-gay therapists” gay or straight? If they are straight, isn’t that a bit like a dentist trying to do open heart surgery, something he knows nothing about?
Comment by iDavid — July 8, 2011 @ 11:41 pm
…and if they are gay saying they are now straight, would that not be like a dentist saying he’s a medical doctor, trying to be something he isn’t?
Comment by iDavid — July 8, 2011 @ 11:44 pm
Good job, Wayne!
Comment by Michael — July 9, 2011 @ 1:40 am
Great Story! What a scoop! Not only busting them on this dangerous and counterproductive ‘therapy,’ but also the story about how much Gov’t $$ the ‘clinic’ has accepted. Numbers please!
Comment by Mike — July 9, 2011 @ 1:42 am
[...] So says The Nation and Truth Wins Out. [...]
Pingback by Reports: Bachmann & Associates provides change therapy — Warren Throckmorton — July 9, 2011 @ 9:22 am
Last night Bill Maher played the clip of Bachmann calling us barbarians who needed to be disciplined and even Maher picked up on his nelliness. Apparently Cher had tweeted that he seemed like a gay closet case and Maher said, ‘if there’s anyone whose gaydar I trust….’ audience laughs. Chaz Bono was on last night and unfortunately we also had to see that lying sack of shit harridan ann coulter who said that those of us who work for the government or civil service are just drains on the system who get paid for doing nothing. I can’t believe Maher is friends with that Bitch!
Comment by Gary (NJ) — July 9, 2011 @ 9:57 am
I am hoping the TWO will take this to the MN Board of Psychology http://www.psychologyboard.state.mn.us/shutdown/
However, due to the government shutdown… the board is shutdown!
Comment by Katie — July 9, 2011 @ 10:40 am
Great job. Well done. Not that it’s in any way surprising but good for you to get it on the record.
Comment by Steve — July 9, 2011 @ 11:26 am
Oh what a web they weave when they continue to deceive. Like I’ve said here or there or everywhere “if it quacks like a duck it probably is a quack.”
Comment by Don Craddock — July 9, 2011 @ 12:05 pm
[...] American Association of Christian Counselors. Links to all the stories are available at The Nation, Truth Wins Out, and Pam’s House Blend. A great summary of all the news is found [...]
Pingback by Michele Bachmann’s Bad Week; Mr. Bachmann’s Alleged Ethical Problems « republicans4freedom — July 9, 2011 @ 12:57 pm
[...] and practices reparative therapy aimed at changing a gay person’s sexual orientation,” said Wayne Besen executive director of Truth Wins Out. “The facts plainly show that Bachmann’s clinic does try to cure gay people and he is being [...]
Pingback by Michele Bachmann’s Husband, Marcus, Seeks To Cure Gay People. « The Rainbow Post — July 9, 2011 @ 1:11 pm
Great work, keep it up! This is the story that needs to be told!
Comment by Bi Social Network — July 9, 2011 @ 4:45 pm
Thank you, thank you, TWO.
This type of activism is so desperately needed, yet no one else is doing it.
We also desperately need for anyone who has had gay sex with an ex-gay therapist who claims to have become heterosexual to come out about it and expose their duplicity, as was done for George “Lift my luggage” Rekkers.
Comment by F Young — July 9, 2011 @ 8:06 pm
[...] Truth Wins Out – Truth Wins Out Undercover Operation Finds That Marcus Bachmann [...]
Pingback by Michelle Bachmann says ...A LOT of interesting things... - Page 9 - City-Data Forum — July 9, 2011 @ 9:08 pm
Even many in the gay media are reflexively denouncing any comments about Marcus saying “How hypocritical to make fun of a swishy man.” This is a total straw man argument. I haven’t seen a single person make fun of his swishiness, as if they were watching a pride parade and making fun of a drag queen. No, we are all making fun of the fact that he is a total hypocrite and denouncing gay men while having major gay mannerisms. It’s the cognitive dissonance that is so mind-blowing, not the swishiness by itself.
Comment by Lee — July 9, 2011 @ 9:47 pm
Exactly, Lee. It would be exactly the same if he were denouncing masculine men while trying to make them effeminate, while swaggering like John Wayne. We would be making fun of his masculine traits then. The incongruous nature of his preaching and prancing are rightfully raising eyebrows.
Those in the gay media/community that see this as making fun effeminate gay men are just dumb as rocks. They have no understanding of context, nor irony.
Comment by Wayne Besen — July 9, 2011 @ 10:20 pm
Wayne, thank you for exposing this. The issue of “curing gay people” is one that hits home in a deeply painful and personal way to me. A couple of years ago, at a very vulnerable moment in my life (my parents had both passed away within months of each other), I sought solace in the Catholic Church (where I was raised) and, ultimately, began attending meetings of “Courage,” their official “Pray the Gay Away” ministry. It was the most shaming and damaging experience I have have ever endured. The more I tried to embrace it and “give it a chance,” the deeper I fell into an abyss of depression, despair and self- destructive behaviors. Had I continued, suicide would surely have been on the horizon. It was a long and hard road back to sanity. Conversely, the most healing and self-affirming moment of my life was proudly marching in this year’s NYC Pride parade with New Yorkers United for Marriage. In a few short weeks, I will also be celebrating my 1-year anniversary in a recovery program that has saved my life. I share this intensely personal story because I cannot be silent after having learned first hand that “Ex-Gay” and “reparative” therapies do not CURE. They KILL. I’m just thankful I got “out” in time (pun intended!). Again, thank you for your good work.
Comment by David L., New York, NY — July 9, 2011 @ 11:46 pm
Hi,
It seems that on Bachmann & Associates, it is claimed that it is a “PhD”. But the school does not seem to be giving out PhDs in Clinical Psych. It gives out Psy.D.
(It is not clear to me whether it ever gave out PhDs in Clinical Psychology.)
Comment by olterigo — July 10, 2011 @ 12:42 am
Is this unethical practice going to be reported to the state licensing board? It certainly should be and the documented evidence of standards violations is compelling.
Comment by Donnie Conner — July 10, 2011 @ 6:08 am
In Bachmann’s case, doesn’t PhD = PhonyDoctor?
Comment by Richard Rush — July 10, 2011 @ 10:01 am
[...] undercover Truth Wins Out investigation claims that the counseling clinic headed by Marcus Bachmann, husband of U.S. Senator and [...]
Pingback by Truth Wins Out Investigation: Bachmann Clinic Practices Reparative Therapy « I Am Gay – South Africa Free Network — July 10, 2011 @ 10:44 am
[...] that he was lying, it disappeared on Friday, when The Nation broke news of an investigation by Truth Wins Out, a group devoted to combating the ex-gay movement. “Undeniably, 100 percent, the Bachmann clinic [...]
Pingback by Marcus Bachmann’s Gay ‘Cure’ « MGN: Miami Gay News — July 11, 2011 @ 9:52 am
I wonder what Bachmann & Associates counselor Timothy Wiertzema means when he says “We’re all heterosexuals, but we have different challenges.” Does that mean that he is fighting his own “challenges?” Is he asserting that we are all heterosexuals fighting our own dark (gay) side regarding our own heterosexuality?
Comment by Russ in Texas — July 11, 2011 @ 9:19 pm
[...] now those clever people at Truth Wins Out have evidence to the contrary. Undercover gays, you gotta love it people, it rocks. John Becker took his [...]
Pingback by Republican Candidates at it Again & Undercover Gays | gaelick — July 12, 2011 @ 2:01 am
It will never cease to amaze me to what lengths the gays will go in their exaggerated effort to discredit someone who thinks differently than they.
Someone needs to save your soul because apparently you live only for here and now with total disregard for eternity. What part of [Man Shall not lie with Man as he does with Woman] dont you get? Dr. Bachman is right. LOOK AT YOUR BODIES PEOPLE!!!! Just because you are attracted to the same sex does not mean you have to ACT on it any more than a married man attracted to another woman..he does not need to act on it either. There was NOTHING in the (as usual deceitfull) undercover operation of TWO that indicates ANY wrong doing by Dr. Bachman. Just prayer. But that is your Devil is it not? God and Prayer contradicts everything the gays are about. The gay lifestyle may be SOCIALLY acceptable but it is a total slap in the Face of GOD; and you know it..yet you still search out ways to justify your actions. The power of prayer is amazing…why are you so afraid of it? After reading this article I was amazed but not surprised at the media exaggeration over this piece. Try to discredit someone because he thinks differently than you? How much more discriminitory can you get??
Comment by becky — July 12, 2011 @ 7:24 am
Becky, what part of, “I don’t believe the stuff about God you’re spewing because it’s all bullshit and the Bible, like every so-called ‘Holy Book’ was written by humans, and the burden of proof that I’m wrong rests on YOU” don’t you get?
Comment by Bill S — July 12, 2011 @ 7:59 am
The only thing that “discredits” the Bachmann’s ate their backwards and dangerous views — apparently shared by you. What you preach is ignorant, cult-like and bad for America.
Comment by Wayne Besen — July 12, 2011 @ 8:22 am
Bill, of course you do not believe in God or the Bible…it does not fit with your lifestyle. I rest my case!
Only thing is…THIS Book, that was written by HUMANS tons of years ago, has not changed. The messages have not wavered. The message is as clear today as it was hundreds and hundreds of years ago.
But go ahead and keep picking and choosing which parts of morality work for you! That is what it is all about is it not! YOU and [IF IT FEELS GOOD...DO IT..Because I am worth it] justification!
Comment by becky — July 12, 2011 @ 9:49 am
Wayne, what exactly is did I say that is ignorant and cult-like?
You guys are the epitomy of cult-like! You are discriminitory, and you failingly attempt to discredit anyone who does not support your lifestyle through character assassination, playground name-calling, and ransom. (If you do not pass this law we will not vote for you OR we will band together and not buy your product)!
Got news for you…we WILL prevail.
BTW…,my kids best friend is gay, my uncle is gay, my cousin married 24 years decided she is gay…
So much for the ignorance statement.
But like I have been taught;
LOVE the sinner,
HATE the sin!
Comment by becky — July 12, 2011 @ 10:02 am
becky? You’re all wet! Really. First off I am xtian but I am not a fundamentalist/evangelical & I am gay & I have no trouble with that fact. Actually, when I get up in the morning I thank Christ that I am a gay man. BTW, I have a ‘life’ not a ‘lifestyle’, same as everyone else on this site. Now, you don’t actually mean to say that the bible has never changed, do you? It’s not in Aramaic and Greek. Just by being translated into English ‘changed’ it. And take the word ‘homosexual’ That word didn’t even exist until it was invented in Germany in the 19th century and the it was pasted into your bible. You have swallowed the anti-gay right wing propaganda & you really need to step back & THINK for yourself!
Comment by Devin — July 12, 2011 @ 10:20 am
Becky’s comments gave me an idea for a new daily feature here at Truth Wins Out: Ignoramus of the Day, or something like that. TWO would select and prominently post the day’s “best” example of ignorance, superstitious beliefs, delusional thinking, trite Bible-quotes, science-denial, detachment from reality, and compulsive authoritarian bigoted assholiness.
Comment by Richard Rush — July 12, 2011 @ 10:22 am
Great idea Richard! Then yesterday’s Ignoramus could be that guy Tim who quoted bible verses & then said that everything he’d said on this site was “a lie”. I dunno if that included the bible verses too. Becky is obviously a good choice for today. Ah, but the day is still young…
Comment by Devin — July 12, 2011 @ 10:27 am
Becky said, “THIS Book [Bible], that was written by HUMANS tons of years ago, has not changed. The messages have not wavered. The message is as clear today as it was hundreds and hundreds of years ago.
That’s exactly the weakness and problem. The Bible was written by ancient people who, understandably, were trying to make some sense of a world about which they knew little to nothing. And many were clever enough to know that they could use it to amass power over people. But it’s 2011 now, and while we have much more to learn, we already have a vast accumulation of empirical scientific evidence. The fact that science changes to reflect new discoveries is it’s major strength. And that evidence relentlessly continues to expose your unchanging Bible as no more or less relevant to the modern world than Greek mythology. It’s an interesting historic artifact, but that’s about it.
Becky, you need to grow up. I don’t really care if you want to live your own life by staring in a rear-view mirror. But stop insisting that everyone else must do the same. You just look embarrassingly silly to people who’ve received some education instead of indoctrination.
Comment by Richard Rush — July 12, 2011 @ 11:09 am
…oh Becky, Becky, Becky…once again people such as yourself “pick and choose” what they want to adhere to in the…Leviticus, for example is very clear about not only “homosexuality”, but the eating of shellfish and touching swine and even wearing clothing made of two different materials. Working on the Sabbath? Goin’ to hell, folks..and on and on.I am serious here…please address these other sins cited in the book and explain why it is NOT relevant in today’s world. I have yet to have any “relious scholar” EVER clear that one. I attended a church school as a young man and ask this very question and the only answer was that “God has mysteries we can’t, in this life, understand”..So I was confused but brave when I sat down to a lobster and pork dinner wearing a linen jacket and cotton pants then went off to my job on Sunday..You may hate the “sin and love the sinner” ( a phrase that is lame by sheer definition)…I hate the stone that people throw at you as a believer, but love you anyway…make any sense? …don;t think so, sweetie
Comment by Thom — July 12, 2011 @ 11:09 am
I believe TWO is digging as deep as they can to find some kind of smoking gun. The informaton in this article is useless. The only thing controversial about reparative therapy is that psychologists don’t want anyone getting in on the money they get from THEIR “services”. If it were to be true that being “gay” could be “cured”, can you imagine how many psychologists would lose clients. The only possible glitch in all of this, is the gov. money being used in these “treatments”. I wouldn’t want gov. money going towards “diversity” “training” either!
Comment by Dino — July 12, 2011 @ 12:56 pm
@Becky: “Stop using MY name to justify YOUR hate.” -God
Boy, are you going to have a lot to account for when YOU meet YOUR maker. And, by the way, you seem to protesteth a little too much. Careful, people might find out that you’re a closet dyke. Take the log out of your own eye, you stupid bitch.
Comment by David L., New York, NY — July 12, 2011 @ 1:20 pm
Dino you are definitely a real dinosaur–and about as stupid as Bam Bam.
Comment by Gary (NJ) — July 12, 2011 @ 1:28 pm
Dino,
Are you really that stupid? If it was about the money as you claim than psychologists would be embracing “reparative therapy” and trying to convince the public that it was good. Imagine the money they would rake in. They don’t because they believe in science and medicine and know that there is nothing wrong with someone being gay. That’s what happens when you believe in science and not what a book of stories tells you.
Comment by Tim W — July 12, 2011 @ 1:48 pm
Becky said “Just because you are attracted to the same sex does not mean you have to ACT on it any more than a married man attracted to another woman..he does not need to act on it either.”.
See Becky, there’s the flaw in your logic. You’ll allow the heterosexual someone to love, a romantic companion, a soul mate, but you won’t allow a gay person the same thing. For you the heterosexual can have someone but the gay can have no one. What a hateful spiteful, oppressive person you are Becky.
Becky said “There was NOTHING in the (as usual deceitfull) undercover operation of TWO that indicates ANY wrong doing by Dr. Bachman. Just prayer. But that is your Devil is it not?”.
Wrong againg. Trying to coerce people into denying who they are, denying themselves love and companionship in favour of a lonely life or a living a lie married to the opposite sex is evil. That is your Devil Becky.
Becky said “God and Prayer contradicts everything the gays are about. The gay lifestyle may be SOCIALLY acceptable but it is a total slap in the Face of GOD”.
Your god is imaginary, but you’re right about one thing – your god and prayer contradicts everything gays are about. Gays are about equality, justice, and not harming anyone who isn’t harming you. Your god and your prayer are about eternally torturing innocent people, about harming those who harm no one, your god and your prayer is evil.
Comment by Priya Lynn — July 12, 2011 @ 2:02 pm
Just want to point out–I’ve been posting off and on for awhile–this becky is not me.
Comment by Becky — July 12, 2011 @ 2:18 pm
I hope one of his rentboys comes forward and outs this sonofabitch and soon. Although I must say I find Batshit Barbie tons of fun to spoof on. I plan to switch to the GOP just for our primary and vote for her. It would too too wonderful if she ran against Obama, thus ensuring him Term II…think SCOTUS.
Comment by Jack — July 12, 2011 @ 2:33 pm
Becky said “You guys are the epitomy of cult-like! You are discriminitory,”.
Typical irrational bigot – “Don’t you dare look down on me for looking down on you!”. Becky thinks she can demonize, demean, and oppress an innocent minority and that they should be all smiles and giggles about it.
Comment by Priya Lynn — July 12, 2011 @ 2:36 pm
The Jack who just posted is not me. I’m the Jack who usually posts on here.
Comment by Jack — July 12, 2011 @ 2:42 pm
Becky,
The prohibition against men lying with men is in the Book of Leviticus, which equally condemns: eating or even touching the flesh of a pig, eating shellfish, mating your cattle with those of another kind, sowing two kinds of grain in a field (would three or four kinds be OK?), wearing a garment made from two kinds of fabric, eating anything with blood in it, rounding off your hair at the edges or trimming the edge of your beard, and sexual intercourse during a woman’s monthly period. Leviticus also contains repeated reminders that ALL these prohibitions are divine laws and that EACH ONE of them is to be observed (Leviticus 19:19; 19:37; 20:8; 20:22; 26:14-16).
Which part of this don’t you get?
Comment by William — July 12, 2011 @ 2:43 pm
By the way, Becky, just out of curiosity:
“I was amazed but not surprised…”
I would love to know how it is possible to be amazed without being surprised.
Comment by William — July 12, 2011 @ 2:48 pm
Becky, you said you “Love the sinner, hate the sin” but your posts are full of nothing but hate. Where’s the love Becky? I’ll tell you where – there ain’t none because “love the sinner, hate the sin” is just a bullshit saying people like you use to pretend you’re something you’re not.
Comment by Priya Lynn — July 12, 2011 @ 2:57 pm
Bachmann fully acknowledges that his clinic will respect a patient’s wishes regarding unwanted SSA. Where is the news here?
Also, TWO, Besen and others should be ashamed of themselves for completely manufacturing the “barbarians” controversy. Bachmann clearly is NOT referring to homosexuals, but instead adolescents.
Ironic that you think you guys are truthful when that could not be further from the truth. You guys are a bunch of lying hypocrites who are on a crusade to shame, discourage and prevent people from trying to get help for unwanted SSA.
What a sad world we live in.
Comment by elsa — July 12, 2011 @ 3:34 pm
“Gays are about equality, justice, and not harming anyone who isn’t harming you.”
Not true, Priya. Gays are going to outlandish lengths to brainwash the public about SSA and shame or prevent people from getting help for unwanted SSA. Gays are in no way loving on this subject. They are in an all out war to achieve their political objectives with no regard whatsoever for the collateral damage they are creating.
Comment by elsa — July 12, 2011 @ 3:38 pm
I think that fake becky and elsa are the same person.
Comment by The Real Becky — July 12, 2011 @ 3:43 pm
Becky, you said “BTW…,my kids best friend is gay, my uncle is gay, my cousin married 24 years decided she is gay…”
I’m not sure what you are trying to prove here–that you know gay people but still think they’re evil sinners? All that proves is that you’re mean spirited.
Comment by Daniel — July 12, 2011 @ 3:45 pm
elsa, the fact that you used the acronym SSA shows that you’re brain washed yourself. No one used that except anti-gay religious bigots. But then even without that your posts show your ignorance.
Comment by Daniel — July 12, 2011 @ 3:47 pm
Oh elsa, really? “Bachmann fully acknowledges that his clinic will respect a patient’s wishes regarding unwanted SSA. Where is the news here?”
“SSA?” Really?
1. Michelle Bachmann has spoken out against federal money yet this snake oil business accepts federal funds.
2. He’s taking federal funds for “therapies” that don’t work and aren’t accepted by real psychological organizations. Also, these therapies can be very damaging to the people who receive them.
3. They are also taking federal money for religious based therapy which is a violation of the First Amendment.
4. “SSA?” Really? I know I already wrote that but, really?
Comment by db — July 12, 2011 @ 4:04 pm
elsa, and one more thing. The Bachmann’s have lied about everything else what makes you think they weren’t lying about this. And in any case it’s unethical to take money for treatments that don’t work.
Comment by db — July 12, 2011 @ 4:06 pm
Elsa/evil Becky said “Gays are going to outlandish lengths to brainwash the public about SSA and shame or prevent people from getting help for unwanted SSA. Gays are in no way loving on this subject. They are in an all out war to achieve their political objectives with no regard whatsoever for the collateral damage they are creating.”.
Nonsense. All major mental and physical health organizations agree that attempts to change sexual orientation are ineffective and potentially harmful. It is gays who tell the truth, and bigots like you who are trying to con the public into thinking orienation can be changed and that therefore gays don’t deserve equal rights. That’s what’s not loving – you and yours. Gays are encouraging gay people to positively accept their orientation which all the major mental health organizations agree leads to a happier gay person than one who has a negative opinion of their orientation – that is loving.
Comment by Priya Lynn — July 12, 2011 @ 4:06 pm
Actually, now that I think about it, “Man shall not lie with Man as he does with Woman” is in fact, utter gibberish.
Does “lie with” mean “lie down with”, or “tell an untruth with”. If the former, how do you know.
If it means “lie down with”, does that mean “share the same bed with”, or “have sex with”? If the latter, how do you know?
If it means “have sex with a man as he does with a woman”, what does that even mean? The only sex act exclusive to a man and a woman (as opposed to two men) is vaginal intercourse. Which isn’t possible with two men. So all that leaves are other sex acts. But as long as you DON’T do those with a woman, then technically you’re not breaking that rule. None of which matters, because the most objectionable part of that quote from Leviticus isn’t the condemnation of sex, it the fact that it advocates the death penalty for it. THAT, as far as I’m concerned, is good reason to believe the Bible is an invention of humans and not the Word of God. I do not believe a moral, loving God would encourage humans to kill each other. No God who expects to be loved and worshipped by humans anyway. You claim to have friends and family members who are gay-do you believe THEY should be killed? And if you don’t, then aren’t you, in effect, picking and choosing what parts of the Bible YOU believe?
And becky, I didn’t say I don’t believe in God, I only said I don’t believe the same stuff about God that you do. That’s an important distinction, let’s not lose it. I’m certainly on the cusp of becoming an atheist anyway, and it has nothing to do with with my “lifestyle”, which, I might add, you know absolutely NOTHING about. You don’t know a damn thing about what’s going in in my life at all, because I didn’t tell you anything.
But I wouldn’t expect anything but ignorant judgement from a troll who needs the ego boost of going on a pro-gay website to tell a bunch of “sinners” what’s wrong with them, in some effort to feel superior to them. And then whining when it’s met with the same reaction as any OTHER act of rudeness.
Comment by Bill S — July 12, 2011 @ 4:10 pm
Oh, yes Elsa/evil Becky. Regarding collateral damage, you’re projecting your own evil actions onto gays by suggesting they’re causing collateral damage. Gay equality only benefits gays and society whereas you and yours are literally destroying people, causing up to 30% of people deluded into trying to change their orientation into committing suicide:
http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2011/07/17561/#comments
But you bigots don’t give a damn if gays kill themselves because you’ve taught them they are evil and doomed to eternal torture. To you dead gays are a price well worth paying to continue denying gays the same rights you have.
Comment by Priya Lynn — July 12, 2011 @ 4:10 pm
@elsa–who the fuck is marcus bachmann to call ANYONE a barbarian?! He and his Shutter Island wife need only look in a mirror.
Comment by Gary (NJ) — July 12, 2011 @ 4:43 pm
Bill, I liked your post, but you are not quite asking the right questions about Levitical prohibitions.
First, Leviticus was adressed to the Levites, or priests.
Second, and more important about all the various translations of those levitical passages, is what the orignal says. It literally refers to “sleeping the sleep of a woman”. And we don’t know what that means. we have no contemporary references to tell us what it means. what we have are the commentaries of people writing centuries later saying what they think it means, and a lot of those things, i.e., sexual impurity, don’t necessarily refer to homosexuality, or have been interpreted to include homosexuality. But we really don’t know.
Whatever it DOES say, however, it is not a blanket condemnation of homosexuality, as so many iggerunt bi-bul-lies simply claim because it is not a condemnation of homosexual acts between women. “Leviticus condemns homosexuality” is an outright wishful thinking fantasy of a lie.
It may possibly condemn anal sex between men, which is what a panel of conservative rabbis determined a couple of years ago when that denomination started to ordain gay conservative rabbis. But it doresn’t condemn homosexuality per se.
Finally, when people start whipping out their tired old leviticus, usually only the most rabid fundamentalist will pull out the one of the two passages that includes the death penalty. I then ask my favorite question, the one just like “Do you still beat your wife?”
Do you favor the death penalty? Yes? oh then you really are a rabid funamentalist sob, and there is really no reasion to continue talking to you. you are irretrievably poisoned by your hate.
Do you favor the death penalty? No? So you are proving to me that people are willing to alter The Word-O’-God to suit their own agendas. Guess it ain’t the Word-O’-God, huh?
Comment by Ben In Oakland — July 12, 2011 @ 5:47 pm
WOW! The cynicism on here is unbelievable! I wrote an honest, neutral opinion(as far as gay goes), and the hyenas on here couldn’t wait to paste a label on me so they could proceed to shred me.
Talk about a bunch of bigots!
My first point was that”reparative therapy” wouldn’t have to be “administered” by a psychologist, meaning any Joe could do it, therefore no money in psychologists pockets.
Secondly, I’m not keen on the gov. paying for it.
Thirdly, you of course (since it’s the only thing you know to do) attempt to throw me under the Bible bus. I said nothing about religion. You need to take a good long look in the mirror and see what you can do to soften up your hateful heart.
Don’t bother with a hateful rebuttal, I have no need to come back on here and converse with such hatred.
Comment by Dino — July 12, 2011 @ 5:50 pm
Is this guy closeted, or what? …maybe he can get free treatment there since he owns the place.
Comment by Jose — July 12, 2011 @ 6:21 pm
Bachmann’s “barbarians” comment was referring to adolescents in general, not homosexuals.
Is there anyone here willing to agree to that?
Comment by elsa — July 12, 2011 @ 7:32 pm
Elsa, you are either ignorant or you are lying about this. I’ve listened to the audio that includes a portion preceding the following quote, and Marcus WAS, in fact, talking about homosexuality. (The full audio clip is probably here on TWO somewhere.)
“We have to understand: barbarians need to be educated. They need to be disciplined. Just because someone feels it or thinks it doesn’t mean that we are supposed to go down THAT ROAD. [what do you think "that road" means?] That’s what is called the sinful nature. We have a responsibility as parents and as authority figures not to encourage such thoughts and feelings from moving into the action steps…
“And let’s face it: what is our culture, what is our public education system doing today? They are giving full, wide-open doors to children, not only giving encouragement to think it but to encourage action steps. That’s why when we understand what truly is the percentage of homosexuals in this country, it is small. But by these open doors, I can see and we are experiencing, that it is starting to increase.”
Comment by Richard Rush — July 12, 2011 @ 8:13 pm
Well, I guess the only advantage of Bachmann POSSIBLY being the first Female President, would be her “First Gentleman” making a perfect QUEEN! Oh, we will also have the first LESBIAN President too, as Bachmann believes people can CHOOSE their sexuality!
Anybody who believes Gay people can be “converted”, are Gay people, denying who they really are. Both Bachmann and her husband are self-loathing, homosexuals, who think they have converted to being Heterosexual. Impossible and against every scientific study and all Psychiatric, professional Associations opinions.
God, both Bachmann and her hubby are psychotic, closeted Homosexuals. Just what America needs as our next Commander in Chief. And I thought Bush was as bad as we could get!
Comment by Andre — July 12, 2011 @ 9:09 pm
Truth Wins Out makes The Colbert Report?
Sweet.
Comment by Bene D — July 13, 2011 @ 12:50 am
If you can use any or all of this article, you are free to do so: http://hubpages.com/hub/Marcus-Bachmanns-dangerous-reparative-therapy-and-fake-psychology?done. A longer version is at my website where I contradict “pray away gay” showing what the bible says (in the original) and not what Bachmann claims it says. You are also free to use any other article.
Arthur Ide, PhD
Comment by Dr. Arthur Frederick Ide — July 13, 2011 @ 9:33 am
Richard, you’re wrong.
If you listen to the minute or so immediately preceding the quote you posted, you will understand quite clearly that Bachmann is referring to adolescents, not gays. Gays don’t need education and discipline, kids do. Obviously.
The gay agenda has misled the media, public and you about this quote. TWO and Besen are frauds.
Comment by elsa — July 13, 2011 @ 4:15 pm
OK, then, WHY do kids need education? Why not just allow them to develop what they feel, free of people like you who want to micromanage and lord over every part of their lives? They might actually develop a hell of a lot better if people didn’t consistently send out messages that something was the matter, when it most certainly ISN’T!
O_o
Comment by Cody — July 13, 2011 @ 4:19 pm
[...] Bachmann finds herself in six types of shit piles this week. She sounds like a malfunctioning robot dodging questions about her and her [...]
Pingback by America Mostly Down with the Inbreds… « WriteChic Press — July 13, 2011 @ 4:24 pm
Elsa, I’ve listened to the part immediately preceding the quote. Marcus was referring to gay adolescents. You obviously have trouble processing reality when it’s incongruent with your prejudices.
Comment by Richard Rush — July 13, 2011 @ 4:28 pm
Richard, I think you are the one mis-interpreting to fit your world view. He is not referring specifically to gay adolescents but to adolescents in general. Kids are unrefined and need discipline and education. Here is the transcript but it’s better if you listen to it because the pauses and interjections clarify that he is speaking generally.
INTERVIEWER: What do you say when your teenager says she’s gay? What do you say to Christian parents who come up with this?
BACHMANN: Well I think you clearly say, ‘what is the understanding of [the Christian] God’s word on homosexuality?’ And I think that this is no mystery that a child or pre-adolescent – particularly adolescents – will question and wonder about sexuality, that’s nothing new under the sun since the beginning of time.
INTERVIEWER: Haha, yeah.
BACHMANN: But I don’t think we should take that as because we wonder or we think or we question, does that take us down the road of homosexuality?
INTERVIEWER: Could you add the word ‘experiment’ to that?
BACHMANN: Well certainly! There’s that curiosity, but again, like… it is as if we have to understand: Barbarians need to be educated, they need to be disciplined, and just because someone feels it, or thinks it, doesn’t mean that we’re supposed to go down that road, that’s what’s called the sinful nature. We have a responsibility as parents and authority figures, not to encourage such thoughts and feelings to move into the action steps.
Comment by elsa — July 13, 2011 @ 5:35 pm
Here’s a better explanation:
“There is plenty to find wrong with what Mr. Bachmann said. However, as the full context of his posts makes clear he is speaking about children (in general) when he uses the term barbarian. I think the focus upon that word as a slur against homosexuality is a mistake. He is speaking in a very typical evangelical manner. The idea that children are tainted since birth and tend towards their “sinful nature” (he appeals to this phrase in the interview). His calling children barbarians is to be expected from an evangelical world view. Hell, while the term “barbarian” was not used, my Catholic Sunday school classes would speak in the same kind of language when I was a child. Mr. Bachmann says barbarians need to be educated and then goes on to speak about the responsibility of parents and, in the part of the quote you choose to omit in your post, speaks about the “wide-open doors” that the public school system gives to “children”.”
Comment by elsa — July 13, 2011 @ 5:35 pm
Nice try Elsa/evil becky/omar but that bullshit won’t fly. Bachman was asked specifically about a gay teenager and he responded that barbarians need to be educated.
Comment by Priya Lynn — July 13, 2011 @ 6:04 pm
In the end what is wrong will be called right and what is right will be called wrong. I’m sad you people have so much anger. Inside of us we are all given the gift of knowing what are unacceptable choices. With God all things are possible. Even for a sinner like me.
Comment by paul — July 13, 2011 @ 10:23 pm
[...] Bachmann and her husband since an undercover investigation revealed that the clinic was practicing discredited ‘ex-gay’ reparative therapy. The Religious Right group, which recently urged people to pray for countries that criminalize [...]
Pingback by FRC: Pray For Bachmann’s Ex-Gay Clinic | Secular News Daily — July 14, 2011 @ 1:53 am
Whoa…this string is spinning outta control, folks. To stay on message: Bachmanns are idiots who are very blatantly sending out the message that it is okay to ostrasize and even attack gay people, based on the “sin” thing….The adult parents who follow this line of “thinking” are giving their children a green light to “hate” us. It’s okay, right?..Shun us. “tsk-tsk” us at best. I would bet a boatload of money that each and every gay basher has parents who encourage the bashing or at best, turn the other cheek.
Note to Becky:
She says:
“But like I have been taught;
LOVE the sinner,
HATE the sin!”
What else were you “taught”? I can guess and none of it is good. You aren’t a Christian..Just a judgmental troll hiding behind the “bible”.
Shoo! Get off the site.
Comment by Thom — July 14, 2011 @ 12:50 pm
Paul? You’re ‘sad we have so much anger?’ Wouldn’t you have a modicum of ‘anger’ if you were told you should not exist? Because that is what the haters (including you?) are saying. All of you fundies are saying that we gays need to accept Salvation and then we can Pray Away the Gay and suddenly we will become heterosexuals. Well, that doesn’t work. It is ridiculous. Do you know how many gay xtians there are? How many born-again gays? No, I didn’t think so. Well, get used to the idea because we are in your churches, maybe in the same pew as you, & we are NOT going away!
Comment by Devin — July 14, 2011 @ 12:59 pm
Elsa/evil Becky/Omar said “You’re wrong. It’s pretty easy to hear what he is saying but you choose not to. He is saying ALL kids need education and discipline from their parents not just gay-leaning kids.”.
You’re lies are too obvious to fool anyone. Bachman was asked about a gay teenager and responded “Barbarians need to be educated. He never made any reference to “ALL” children and referred SPECIFICALLY to gay children.
Elsa/Evil Becky/Omar said “People can change. Let them.”.
False! Every major mental and medical health organization has studied this and concluded efforts to change orientation are ineffective.. People who positively accept their gayness are happier and better adjusted than those who do not. Conning people into believing they can and into attempting a lifelong effort to change harms their mental health and often leads to suicide.
Comment by Priya Lynn — July 14, 2011 @ 1:04 pm
Paul said “In the end what is wrong will be called right and what is right will be called wrong. I’m sad you people have so much anger. Inside of us we are all given the gift of knowing what are unacceptable choices.”
What is right is anything which harms no one, such as loving same sex relationships which make the couple happier, healthier and more productive thus benefiting them and society. What is wrong is harming others such as destroying same sex relationships and using an imaginary celestial bully to con people into lonely lives of despair and suicide.
Paul said “With God all things are possible.”.
Well then conjure me up a hot pink Ford GT and I’ll join your side immediately and start oppressing gays.
Comment by Priya Lynn — July 14, 2011 @ 1:14 pm
elsa, paul, becky, kay–are these different people or just one person trying to seem like a group?
Comment by The Real Becky — July 14, 2011 @ 1:15 pm
Real Becky, its one person trying to seem like a group. Note that Evil Becky, Elsa, and Omar all use the line “People can change, let them.”.
Comment by Priya Lynn — July 14, 2011 @ 1:18 pm
Yes, they are all the same person, as their comments all come from the same IP addresses.
The thing about anti-gay trolls is that they tend to be stupid, you see.
Comment by Evan Hurst — July 14, 2011 @ 1:21 pm
Priya, I forgot to include Omar–it is weird that they all sound the same. I know people can get into kind of a “group think” where they use the same bumper sticker sayings, but it is suspicious.
Comment by The Real Becky — July 14, 2011 @ 1:21 pm
What kind of loser has to pretend they’re several people in a vain effort to push their bankrupt argument. And then Elsa/evil Becky/Paul/Omar has the audacity to call us liars.
Comment by Priya Lynn — July 14, 2011 @ 1:26 pm
Elsa/Evil Becky/omar/et al calls us liars because that’s so much a core part of him/her he/she can’t conceive of anyone else telling the truth.
Comment by Priya Lynn — July 14, 2011 @ 1:27 pm
elsa, once again–read the 9th Commandment.
Comment by The Real Becky — July 14, 2011 @ 2:29 pm
Bullshit Elsa/evil becky/omar. You’re a fundamentally dishonest person and because that’s who you are you can’t believe honest people like us are actually honest.
Comment by Priya Lynn — July 14, 2011 @ 2:39 pm
Oh — I see Elsa, you are a lying sleazebag who admits to false misrepresentation. That’s about what we expected from you.
Your outta here. Take a hike.
Comment by Wayne Besen — July 14, 2011 @ 5:35 pm
I meant false representation..
Comment by Wayne Besen — July 14, 2011 @ 5:37 pm
Elsa/evil Becky/omar said “Priya, I admit to using different names and email addresses but solely to figure out how to get posts through TWO’s moderation. As I think everyone has figured out, my writing style is the same in all cases and clearly not trying to appear as a group.”.
Oh, please you lying sleazebag. If you thought everyone could tell all the different names were you, you wouldn’t have been using them in an effort to deceive Wayne. Your lies have come thick and heavy and now like an unwanted dog who wonders into someone’s house and shits on the carpet you refuse to leave when its been made crystal clear you’re not welcome here. Fuck you you evil lying sack of shit.
Comment by Priya Lynn — July 14, 2011 @ 9:12 pm
elsa, “Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness.”
Comment by Daniel — July 14, 2011 @ 9:49 pm
Hmmmmm……
Ex-gay for pay? Wonder how much he’s making off other people’s misery.
There are no real “ex-gays” produced because they do not exist.
Get over it.
Comment by CAfurrball — July 14, 2011 @ 11:54 pm
Bingo — notice all the “ex-gays” have books to sell or are professional so-called “ex-gay” activists. Where are the people who have changed that aren’t getting paid to tell their tale of transformation?
Maybe we do not see them because they do not exist. Instead we get retreads like Janet Boynes or Greg Quinlan. Why the same old faces? How come no “transformed” people with real jobs?
Again, they do not exist. So, we see a parade of paid political hacks.
Comment by Wayne Besen — July 15, 2011 @ 12:59 am
Let’s see there can be ex hetrosexuals but there can’t be ex gays. Hmmm sorry I don’t believe you. There is quite a long list of ex hetrosexuals, Andrian Huffingtons husband comes to mind, of course if anyone could make someone turn gay it’s Arianna.
I came here looking for your complete tapes of your encounter at Bachmans clinic, so far all I have seen are tapes that or so edited they make Andrew Breitbart look like Edward R. Murrow.
Comment by rob — July 15, 2011 @ 7:04 pm
Rob, there is no such thing as an ex-heterosexual just as there is no such thing as an ex-gay. One’s orientation isn’t determined by the partner one happens to be with. There are gay men who marry women out of social pressure and who eventually divorce when they accept their gayness. There are bisexuals who may go from a partner of one gender to the other and back and forth but no one has ever changed same sex attractions into opposite sex attractions or vice versa.
Comment by Priya Lynn — July 15, 2011 @ 8:03 pm
Greg, you’re hilarious. Your article doesn’t disprove anything other than your claim to be a heterosexual. If you were truly “ex-gay” that would make you heterosexual, but you claim your “orientation” is “ex-gay” thus admitting you haven’t become heterosexual.
Comment by Priya Lynn — July 16, 2011 @ 12:20 am
That is why the government needs to defund Bachmann & Associates: http://www.change.org/petitions/defund-bachmann-associates
Comment by Kevin — July 16, 2011 @ 12:07 pm
If frauds like this were made to repay the federal government ) and in this case the state also) it would go a long way to cut down on our debt.
I do not like the fact that my tax payer money is going to a fraudulant organization. Not only is he going against the policy about gays, which he says he isn’t, he has not medical degrees to practice this.
Comment by Marge — July 17, 2011 @ 12:44 pm
[...] due to the Congresswoman’s stance against gay rights and her husband’s previous work in “gay reparative therapy” – or better known as “praying the gay [...]
Pingback by Tea Party shows its anti-gay bigotry hand : One White Duck | Progressive musings from a modern day liberal. — July 19, 2011 @ 10:13 am
[...] practice employed such therapy, but then admitted to it when John Becker of the LGBT-rights group Truth Wins Out proved as much with his undercover investigation. At the same time, the Nation published an expose [...]
Pingback by The Scary Religious Ideology Behind Michele Bachmann’s Anti-Gay Crusade « Censorship in America — July 22, 2011 @ 3:44 am
The code of ethics for Christian counselors is a SHAM – it contains blatant contradictions, such as these:
1-112 Action Regarding Clients Harmed by Other Helpers
Christian counselors take proper action against the harmful behavior of other counselors and pastors. We will act assertively to challenge or expose those who exploit others, and protect clients against harm wherever it is found, taking care to honor and support client decision-making regarding curative action against violators.
1-126 Application to Homosexual and Transgendered Behavior
Christian counselors differ, on biblical, ethical, and legal grounds, with groups who abhor and condemn reparative therapy, willingly offering it to those who come into counseling with a genuine desire to be set free of homosexual attractions and leave homosexual behavior and lifestyles behind. Either goal of heterosexual relations and marriage or lifelong sexual celibacy is legitimate and a function of client choice in reparative therapy.
It also contradicts the basic ethical principles taught in any accredited counseling program in the United States.
Comment by Eve — July 22, 2011 @ 12:58 pm
[...] Wins Out’s recent investigation exposed the Minnesota clinic co-owned by Michele and Marcus Bachmann by confirming that it offers morally, [...]
Pingback by Truth Wins Out - GOProud’s Chris Barron Wishes Gays Would Stop Picking on Bachmann — July 28, 2011 @ 12:01 pm
[...] the therapy was homosexuality portrayed as a natural variation of human sexuality,” says a press release from Truth Wins Out. “Instead it was presented as a treatable condition at odds [...]
Pingback by Daily Lounge » Blog Archive » Is Michele Bachman’s Husband a Political Liability? — July 28, 2011 @ 3:13 pm
[...] due to the Congresswoman’s stance against gay rights and her husband’s previous work in “gay reparative therapy” – or better known as “praying the gay [...]
Pingback by The Tea Party’s Social Agenda Detracts from Its Economic Roots « Progress to the People — July 29, 2011 @ 11:22 am
The cristo-facists have always hated gays. All librals have to gather together to defeat the nazi agenda.
Comment by George L. Schmitt — August 2, 2011 @ 10:36 pm
Check this out my friends,and enemies. http://video.google.com/videop it’s a real hoot!!!
Comment by George L. Schmitt — August 2, 2011 @ 10:39 pm
[...] Bachmann and her husband Marcus as they face scrutiny over their clinic’s use of “reparative therapy” and their long opposition to gay [...]
Pingback by Tea Party Nation: "We Must Stand With The Bachmanns" Against Gay Rights | Secular News Daily — August 5, 2011 @ 7:03 pm
[...] is a vote for Marcus Bachmann, a virtual unknown, outside of his avowed belief that gays can be “rehabilitated” into heterosexuals, a practice Marcus lied about for [...]
Pingback by Who Is The Real Candidate for President - Marcus or Michele Bachmann? — August 12, 2011 @ 8:02 am
[...] this summer the group Truth Wins Out exposed Marcus and Michele Bachmann for practicing ‘ex-gay’ reparative therapy, the [...]
Pingback by Bachmann’s Mentor Wants To Bring ‘Ex-Gay’ Reparative Therapy To The Military | Secular News Daily — August 12, 2011 @ 6:03 pm
[...] iPhone app, holding celebrities like Tracy Morgan accountable for homophobic remarks, or exposing the Bachmann clinic for its use of “ex-gay therapy” — our contributing members like Sai and Lee are [...]
Pingback by Truth Wins Out - New Website Announces Major Donation to TWO — October 28, 2011 @ 3:55 pm
[...] Bachmann was calling in an attempt to collect $150 in no-show fees from two “pray away the gay” appointments I missed after going through five such sessions with a therapist at his clinic back in June. [...]
Pingback by Truth Wins Out - So Marcus Bachmann Called Yesterday… — November 15, 2011 @ 2:05 pm
[...] July, Truth Wins Out went undercover and exposed Bachmann & Associates for practicing a form of discredited “pray away the gay” therapy. [...]
Pingback by Truth Wins Out - Marcus Bachmann Personally Calls and Harasses LGBT Group That Exposed His ‘Ex-Gay’ Therapy Practice — November 16, 2011 @ 1:42 pm
[...] Now this is funny: Truth Wins Out, a lesbian and gay activist group that went undercover and exposed “gay cure” practices of Marcus Bachmann – husband of presidential contender Michele Bachmann – has been getting [...]
Pingback by California’s supreme court advises that supporters of the Prop 8 ban on gay … « Montana Votes — November 17, 2011 @ 6:11 pm
[...] Now this is funny: Truth Wins Out, a lesbian and gay activist group that went undercover and exposed “gay cure” practices of Marcus Bachmann – husband of presidential contender Michele Bachmann – has been getting [...]
Pingback by Law News Asia » Blog Archive » US politics live: Prop 8, GOP nomination and the supercommittee — November 17, 2011 @ 6:47 pm
[...] Now this is funny: Truth Wins Out, a lesbian and happy romantic organisation that went clandestine and unprotected “gay cure” practices of Marcus Bachmann – father of presidential contender Michele Bachmann – has been removing [...]
Pingback by US politics live: Prop 8, GOP nomination and the supercommittee- Pause The Press! — November 19, 2011 @ 4:35 am
[...] of 2011. Pay special attention to numbers 10 and 18 (Tracy Morgan’s rant and the Bachmann clinic scandal) — Truth Wins Out broke both of [...]
Pingback by Truth Wins Out - Two of The Advocate’s Top News Stories of 2011 Broken by TWO — November 20, 2011 @ 12:22 pm
[...] they have denied offering to help people change their sexual orientation, even though they were exposed on undercover video this last July offering to help someone become “totally free of” Same Sex [...]
Pingback by Michele Bachmann Shut Down by Eight Year Old | Crasstalk — December 8, 2011 @ 1:01 pm
[...] him or her to “pray the gay away” in a repressive, emotionally-damaging program like the kind Marcus Bachmann runs, and pushing him or her to marry someone of the opposite gender. And to tell a young person at a [...]
Pingback by WeMustChange » Blog Archive » Michelangelo Signorile: Cold-Blooded on the Campaign Trail — December 22, 2011 @ 9:45 am
[...] testimony of her husband,” to bring the ex-gay issue to light (Marcus Bachmann’s clinic practiced discredited reparative therapy) and while leading the audience to pray in tongues, Wright called God have the ex-gay movement [...]
Pingback by Gathering of Eagles Prays for Ex-Gays to ‘Blitz’ the Media and Defeat the ‘Homosexual Agenda’ | Secular News Daily — February 17, 2012 @ 12:36 am