Throughout the controversy over Uganda’s “Kill the Gays” legislation, religious leaders who have played key roles in Uganda have, for the most part, been eventually shamed into condemning the legislation.  However, one leader has been more reticent, leading us to believe that he’s really not all that ashamed of himself.  Scott Lively went on Alan Colmes’s radio show on Monday night and said this about his contribution to the possible genocide:

Scott Lively, one of three evangelicals who went to Uganda at in 2009 to preach against gays, says he doesn’t support Uganda’s bill that would punish homosexuality by life imprisonment or death.  Nevertheless, he said, on my radio show Monday night, it’s “a step in the right direction.”  He refused to say that gays should get jail time, but said it should be treated as a we treat those who smoke marijuana.  Yet, he refused to back off his “step in the right direction” comment.

Wow, Scott.  It’s notable because even the most extremist anti-gay Christian leaders tend to back away from the idea that homosexuality should be criminalized at all.  The leaders with a significant American influence are sworn to uphold their narrative that they love gays, but merely “hate the sin.”  Perhaps because Scott Lively doesn’t have much influence in the West, and is only respected when he goes abroad into nations with a 14th century mindset (at least on the subject of sexuality), he feels much more free to air his true beliefs. This, after all, is a man who is filled with such an overwhelming hatred for gay people that he wrote a book claiming that gays played an integral role in creating the Holocaust.

Kyle at Right Wing Watch has posted the interview if you want to hear it for yourself.

(Ensley, left, Doesn’t Read Exodus’ Website)

Poor Mike Ensley. Next time he debates in a mainstream venue he needs to read the Exodus website. He was totally unprepared for the Alan Colmes Show and spent much of the debate denying undeniable facts, squirming or disavowing quotes made by his loose cannon boss, Alan Chambers. He claimed that the host, Alan Colmes, and I were taking words out of context or making things up – but the problem is, the proof is on the Exodus website or part of the historical record.

Sorry Mike, but if you are going to speak to people who have not been brainwashed, at least do your homework. I know it must be difficult to defend the scientifically bankrupt “What to Do When Your Child is Gay” or argue that Exodus does not believe gays are evil or demon possessed, when your organization promotes spiritual warfare.

The cold facts can be stubborn and unforgiving.

Here is my message to Mike: If you are too preoccupied to know your topic and what the organization you work for actually represents – just tell the truth. It is amazing how easy interviews are when you believe in what you are saying and can speak with a clear conscience. When you ultimately leave Exodus, Mike, you will finally understand this simple truth.

Finally, Mike, the GLBT community will be here for you if and when you are ready to come out. We will show you the unconditional love and support that you will never find at Exodus. And, the best part is – when you do interviews with the media, you won’t have to remember the lies you told before the commercial break.